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this meeting is now resumed members before the recess Council is debating the mayor’s first key item e^x 11.1 which is being considered with I emex eleven point two six we will return to the mayor’s key matter after the release of member holds and members there are members are there any release of member holds count sir Crawford thank you madam Speaker I believe it’s page four e^x 11.25 I just like to move a motion to refer this item back to the executive committee for further consideration at its a January 23rd 2020 meeting the st Lawrence centered about redevelopment okay the motion is on the screen that’s on page 40 X 11.25 I’m favor Kari counts are fillion on page 11 CC 13.1 this is on behalf of council robinson that consideration of the VIII item be deferred until the January 29th and 30th 2020 meeting of City Council okay that’s on page 11 CC 13.1 it’s yes the CC 13.1 2706 baby you have in you is everyone okay with that does anybody want to hold it yeah there’s a motion on the floor on the floor to divert its its page 11 page 11 CC 13.1 2706 babe you Avenue there’s a motion to defer all Faber carried deputy Merriman and wonk yes thank you madam chair page 5 GL 10.6 City Hall council chamber modernization options counselor Ainsley thank you madam Speaker I’ve worked on with this with the deputy mayor the mayor staff and our facilities and real estate staff City Council refer the item to the executive director of corporate real estate management and the city clerk and City Council direct the executive director of corporate real estate management the city clerk to explore options to integrate the modernization of the council chamber and eggs into existing capital initiatives including accessibility security technology and stated a good repair projects or programs apparently it’s not quick councillor Fletcher you still want to hold it I’ll continue holding it okay counselor eensy will continue holding it hmm thank you counts they’re cold yes I would like to move just a technical amendment to NY 11.10 H please what page page 8 and why eleven point two eight application remove our city tree to 20 st. Germain Avenue and you can see the amended ones just taking out the word buy annuals just to engage and accepted for the cultural price supposedly if you prune too much the nuts grow like crazy so you can’t prove too much as I would you talking about a tree your tongue would talk about nuts nuts going are you

talking about this council chamber okay it’s not it’s not quite count circle count you bylaw thank you madam Speaker I’m Beach six pH eleven point two I can release this item with a recorded vote and a motion from councilor math camp eight housing now 140 Merton Street so what is the motion if people could put it up nope not yet not yet okay we’ll keep holding it no problem and I can release on page seven with a recorded vote st 4.2 councilmember nominations to the Hockey Hall of Fame board of directors okay so I’m page seven st 4.2 recorded vote this is the councilmember nominations to the Hockey Hall of Fame recorded both calculating please the item is adopted 17 to 6 okay counts at Bradford thanks madam see here on page three I’m able to release e^x 11.4 wait support a budget for the TPA have a chance to chat with staff and we can work through that at the board so you’re releasing okay on page three e^x 11.4 20/20 rate supported budget by Toronto parking authority all in favor carried councillor holiday thank you madam Speaker on page 10 te eleven point fourteen application to remove five private trees 801 King Street West had a chance to get my questions answered and would just like a recorded vote okay on page twenty eleven point fourteen recorded vote coughs Bradford please councillor poot so please the item is adopted 21 to to counter perks Thank You speaker on page 10 GE 11.35 residential on street permit parking status update on the expansion of on street permit parking Mitrano East York Community Council area words for nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen nineteen I believe someone else has it no counselor Fletcher is fine I’ve had that conversation no but I believe that counts a Bradford okay well I’ll continue to hold it then okay councillor Grimes thank you madam Speaker on page four e^x 11.24 relocation of the Etobicoke Civic Center I can release that councillor holiday would still like to please me counts your holidays name all right now mr Carroll yes madam Speaker councillor Cole’s button won’t work again in the same list the the item that he wished to release eleven point two eight on page 8 and why eleven point two eight might my concerns are alleviated I can I can I can say yes to that if he wants to release it still okay council Cole you release it yeah with the amendment it’s

on the screen okay on on the amendment on favor carried item as amended on favor carried so count wait we do have I’ve also reviewed a number of urgent motions to be added to the agenda pardon councillor Matt Lohr you have an amendment which would councillor Motlow you have an amendment yes I move this amendment pardon yes okay so this is on page 6 ph 11.2 housing now councillor Matt loathsome amendment on favor carried item as amended on favor Carrie recorded boat the feasibility of the item is adopted is amended 22 to nothing okay okay be still we have some urgent motions that we’re going to introduce counselor cressie Thank You speaker and this is indeed urgent because the lease for the property has been returned to the city in part on the basis of its vacancy and so we need to initiate a city process to determine its future use as quickly as possible palm paper carried counts her long tab yes thank you very much madam Speaker I’d like to introduce this motion it’s urgent because the bylaw was enacted in March of 2019 the section 37 agreement was entered into by all the parties and there was a technical error that needs to be corrected favor and carried Celso counter baile yes madam Speaker I have a motion about the traffic lights that needs to be changed to pxl I’m favored carried counts your perks yes yes so this is urgent because if we don’t move this motion today we miss the opportunity to have legal staff present there’s no other way I could have got this motion in front of Council on favor carried Callister Carol yes master it’s urgent that we release the funds in this motion in this council session because there are contractors willing to work on this over the holidays to create a youth space for a youth leadership that have been working on a site in an area where Jeremy Vincent urban RB know was murdered last week the people who want this youth space will be attending his funeral tomorrow I’m favor carry okay so will now go back to the mayor’s key item eleven point one and eleven point two six so when we left before lunch councilor caret giannis you had a question to the mayor go ahead thank you madam Speaker through

you to the mayor mayor I realized that we need to increase money and and get more money in our coffers in order to look after transportation to look after city building and all that stuff I reached out to my constituents 64% of them did not approve of this so my my question is I need to go back to my constituents and say look yes we’re getting our fair share of income so there’s one item in our part of the world which is called the Sheppard subway we don’t talk about this much but is there a some sort of something that I can take back to my decisions say yes when you know part of the city building will be part of the Sheppard subway we brought a motion in that we going to reach out to the federal government the provincial government in order to do this so is this is part of this money can we think about when it comes to and the federal and the provincial government say yes we’re going to be looking at the Sheppard subway that we can dedicate some of this money should be it at a an EI like an environmental assessment or something else in order to help build that area and our constituents can feel part of the city is there something in your mind that I can share with them well first of all madam Speaker I will say to the councilor that I’m very optimistic that over time as the true sensibility of this measure comes to the attention of more and more voters that it’ll be 95 percent in favor of making these long-term investments in transit and housing to make sure we protect the success of the city as you know at your instigation I will say through you to the councillor around speaker that we have begun advocacy to the federal and provincial governments with respect to the sensibility of taking what will be an extended blurred and forth subway line up to the north part of Scarborough and the existing terminus of the Sheppard subway and connecting those in some way but I’ve made it clear in the past that this particular plan with the particular funding attached to it will not accommodate that because we have a list agreed to with the province of things that we’re going to fund with the money they have put forward and the money we’re going to put forward but I can certainly say that as has been the case with a number of other projects we’ve begun discussions with the other governments on because we simply can’t stand still that that is on the list of things that we’re going to be advocating to them about along with other important projects in Scarborough downtown and elsewhere that the list agreed to if the province is not meant to be a list for all time it is not meant to be the only list it is meant to be the list we’re going to focus on and fund now and then obviously we have to move to the next series of projects thank you madam Speaker thank you so will now vote on the motions motion number one accorded both how’s our one time please the motion does not carry the voters to 222 motion number two do we want a recorded vote recorded vote motions on the screen Houser Perutz a place counselor Laden please the motion carries twenty one two three on e ex 11.1 recorded vote as amended councillor Fletcher please the item as

amended carries 22 to – okay on e X 11 point 2 6 motion number 3 accorded vote council Bradford please counselor want em thank you the amendment is adopted 19 to 5 on e X 11 point 2 6 recorded vote as amended the item as amended carries 21 to 3 okay we will now go to the on page 6 the mayor’s second key matter which is ph 11.5 housing till 2020 2030 action plan do we have questions to staff do we have any questions to stuff down surmount low are there any are there any upfront tax dollars that the city is spending to supports open-door housing now programs fun as part of it as part of our 10 year strategy or are we clean up any upfront tax dollars so through the chair counselor the open door program has tax dollars as it relates to fees and charges that aren’t paid as well as property taxes that are waves through open doors is sort of similar to like a TIF a TIF arrangement where it’s deferred but are there any upfront tax dollars that were putting up now through the chair there is dollars that come through the development charge reserve account for subsidized housing but there are no specific tax dollars that are included other than those that are deferred so all of it all of it is deferred whether it be taxes or development charges is that the entirety of of what we are going to be through the chair that’s correct those are the incentives that are provided and it has there been analysis done on how how those revenues are going to be recouped at the end of the day through the through the chair counselor those revenues are not recruit because they’re essentially waived as opposed to deferred in addition through the open door program over the years and also now through the city’s housing now initiative we’re making land available at below market values so that’s also an input that the city provides as the does the city conduct evaluations of the sites that are used in open door or housing our programs through the chair absolutely there’s an evaluation that is done when the awards are made for those projects but also in the last two years we have had an independent consultant review those projects relative to value for money are they made public yes we’ve

made them public previously although all the valuations on the through the chair the summary of those evaluations by that consultant have been made public where can I find it I’m happy to make it available to you thank you thank you counter wong-tam yes thank you very much and with respect to the rent bank program and I know that there was some mention that you were one of the founders of it this morning can you remind council the the purpose of the rent Bank program and who administers that program the rent Bank program is administered by the neighborhood information post the purpose is to provide low-interest loans to people who are at risk of not being able to pay their rent they negotiate very reasonable repayment plans on the amount of money that they borrow and is it not true that the maximum loan amount to be paid back cannot really cannot exceed $3,500 yes that is correct and generally the the payback program is about $25 a month it’s negotiated on what is possible for the tenant to pay back it can be lower than that but on average it is about 20-25 dollars a month and would you say that that that the 665 loans that were put out in 2018 that helped keep 665 individual house and from falling into shelters and homelessness yes I would agree with you there counselor so that program is successful a very successful program yes and with respect to the trustee ship program that is also administered by the neighborhood information post the is it true that the the the sustainable workload for a administrator for that program at that caseload probably not exceed 50 cases per full-time employee yes that is correct and if we have and if we’re not able to administer the the trustee program because it might be oversubscribed or perhaps there isn’t enough employees to administer that that there may be individuals who who don’t get access to that program if there were a situation where someone couldn’t gain access to that program certainly the person that’s working with them on their case support would continue to provide some assistance but it would be it would be difficult not to be able to get into a trustee ship program and my understanding is that the trustee ship program provides low-income individuals with financial management support therefore the checks that they would receive from perhaps government works Ontario works that they would actually take those funds and pay the landlord directly to ensure that the the funds are delivered to the landlord so that they that individual low-income is to admit remain housed yes that’s one of the options and one that’s quite regularly taken advantage of and if if the caseload of the workers perhaps is is is too large and they can’t get to some of the more complicated cases there may be individuals have fallen to a waitlist that perhaps doesn’t get adequate service is that is that a possibility yes it is against lured by by ensuring that there is enough staff persons working through that program once again it’s a program that that diverts people away from homelessness and the shelters is that not correct I’m sorry counselor could you repeat the question by way of that program the intention is to divert people away from shelters and homelessness absolutely trying to keep people housed is one of the main things that we’d like to do and the rent back program as well as the the trustee program these are citywide programs is that not correct yes it is and and the neighborhood information post that provides a citywide program their job is to do everything they can to keep people from falling into homelessness and staying out of the shelters we do have some other agencies that offer trusty ships but rent bank is the only one offered across the city okay wonderful and if and would you say that these are programs that are largely successful so far yes very successful and if we were to do more to support these programs to enhance their reach and perhaps expand the reach would it be would it be possible for us to divert more people away from shelters and homelessness by by investing in the programs that already worked in the City of Toronto you raise a really great point councilor one of the things we’re trying to make sure is that we are supporting

programs that create best practice that’s why we’ve put this program under review so that any recommendations that we make are based in the evidence that the outcomes that we get are in fact as positive as they seem great and then finally my question is how do people find their way to these services is it is it broadly advertised on the city’s website how do people find out so there are a number of reasons we do advertise it on our website we also share information across all of this homeless serving organizations case managers in different shelter programs are aware of the supports that are available out there as well thank you councillor Leighton yes thank you very much two questions one just to start off this this notion of how long the affordability period is has come up in in the debate units that are affordable for the ninety nine year term have classically been a bit more expensive correct than units that are secured for a shorter period through the chair to the councillor that would be correct there would be more of an expenditure required to buy that affordability so can can you tell me what the difference is so what is it for say the a unit developed by a private developer through housing now what what’s the cost of that unit is there an average cost we can use I’ve heard it’s 73,000 through the chair the city makes available somewhere in the range of about 73 to 75 thousand dollars through the open door program to incentivize that unit and that those are for what’s the period of time typically now it has been a minimum of 30 years of 30 years and for not-for-profit units that have a longer affordability period through the chair for the longer affordability period what we have generally added is an additional hundred and fifty thousand dollars which has come generally from a federal provincial source as opposed to a city or a municipal source so you’re now up to about two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars per unit I we had a number that was circulating that was in the 90 thousand dollar range what number was that that through Charak I can’t specifically recall a $90,000 number but that would essentially be somewhere just above what the city incentives and then in addition to that through the open door program we also make available through the development charge reserve account for subsidized housing a grant of in the range of about ten to twenty thousand dollars so if that you take the seventy three and you add the grant from the subsidized housing fund you’re in the range of between 85 to 95 thousand dollars okay so with the additional monies and we’re able to achieve a lower a longer period of affordability for roughly the same cost threw the chair in the past because we’ve been able to stack the federal provincial grants of 150 thousand dollars and achieve two hundred to two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars of assistance we’ve been able to achieve the longer affordability and generally those are the kinds of subsidies the the nonprofit housing sector has required in order to build because the construction cost for a units a day are in the range of 400 to 500 thousand dollars a unit can we get into what what is what is existing what is new and what we’re asking the federal government for and provincial government so existing the number that’s that stated in the report I believe is 5.5 billion dollars its existing investment over the next 10 years through the true that’s correct that’s correct so the ant can we go through each component of it housing now is how much of the existing overall what we have actually if you just give me a moment I’ll refer you the staff report half report if you go to page six and seven of the staff report you’ll see the total investments approved already for the 3700 housing now units which includes the incentives and the city land

leveraged for a total of 761 761 761 thousand three hundred and twenty seven million million sorry mmm-hmm and then if you look at the recommended investments for housing now it’s 1.2 billion of new AB Newman of Newman attendance so the first time you knispel land transfer tax rebate if this program is a continued to exist that’s six hundred and fifty million dollars for first-time homebuyers correct so that accounted in there as well that is not counted within that number that’s that’s not in that would leave over five that would be over and above so what is the five point five billion men that’s just housing now and the tcht investment the five point five includes everything that we’re currently doing or are expected to continue to do okay the new investments specifically relate to the new housing now sites that would be brought forward a continuation of the open door and the continuation of the open door through to the 2030 Thank You Council Crecy thank you and Sean last time together so congratulations again can you or Marianne confirm what is the how many people are on the waiting list for subsidized affordable housing currently councils are about a hundred thousand at a hundred thousand a hundred thousand households yes okay so and that’s so and we estimate so how many people do we estimate that is it’s hard to tell depending on family size okay I’ve heard 181,000 in the past where did that number come it’s a reasonable number okay so a hundred thousand households some we’re around 180,000 people is that list exhaustive of everybody in the city who needs a subsidized affordable housing or those just people who happen to be on the list those are the people on the list okay so the need could be greater yes okay under our new housing plan here and maybe this is back to Shawn forgive me how many units are we talking about creating of subsidized affordable housing over the next ten years the the plan overall calls for the creation of 40,000 new affordable units based on a new definition on person’s income as opposed to the average market rent but the total number that is proposed in the plan between the three orders of government would be forty thousand forty thousand and so are those forty thousand new ones because I just want understand we have the centralized waiting lists of about a hundred thousand households on the waiting list with all of those people qualify for these forty thousand units or is this with different people qualify for the forty thousand new units the criteria that we’ve used counselors through the chairs mean for persons that are on the waiting list or who otherwise would qualify to be on the list or otherwise would qualify yes and I say that through the chair because there are instances where persons may because of their circumstances emergency persons that are homeless may not be on the list but they but otherwise qualify there are also other lists that are maintained particularly lists for supportive housing that are separate and distinct from our own list and we wouldn’t want to exclude those individuals so I guess a question I had so if we have a hundred thousand households on the waiting list and our ten year plan calls for the creation of forty thousand households are we expecting that those other 60,000 households will no longer be on the list or are we just anticipating that our housing plan will continue to have a waiting list of 60,000 people through the chair it is a challenge as you can imagine to build new housing that’s affordable within Toronto’s housing market but also as you know there are a range of requirements to actually get the approvals to build that housing the plan contemplates that there would be income supports through the Canada Ontario Housing Program and benefit which will start in April of next year and so in addition to the building and the construction there are income supports that are required for people and the plan proposes 40,000 households to be assisted in that way so the plan actually in its comprehensive approach says essentially there are a number of measures that the city and the other orders of government can take to support people who need affordable housing now

in the medium and in the long term okay so we’re talking about 40,000 new units built 40,000 households accessing income supports to access housing through other levels of government that other 40,000 that still leaves 20,000 households not covered so I guess the question I’m just asking is why does our 10-year plan not account for getting everybody off the waiting list who’s on the waiting list what why aren’t we accounting for a hundred thousand people as opposed to only 40,000 new 40,000 income supports and a gap of 20,000 people and that’s assuming need doesn’t grow why why doesn’t the plan account for everybody who needs it so through the through the chair counsellor what we have done is we’ve presented to council a plan that we believe it can realistically be achieved and even the 40,000 target is essentially almost four times what our target was in the past and so with the resources available to us and the partnerships that will be required with the federal provincial governments we brought you a plan that we think can be achieved at the same time on an annual basis and on a five-year basis there will be a review to determine how what progress we’re making and frankly the advice when we met with international experts and developed the plan they said to us better to overachieve than fail and so I would like to suggest to you that we have given you something that we think can be achieved we would like to lead like to do better and we would like to come back to you my colleagues that will be here and actually do that but we don’t want to put something in front of you that frankly is not achievable Thank You councillor Fletcher yes I just wondered how long would it really take to build a thousand units you know from start to finish it’d be quite a while to get all the approvals and everything in that way wouldn’t it like through the chair councillor as you can imagine the circumstances with respect to the construction of housing or any development in the city is a multi-year process and the experiences being anywhere between three to ten years so I’m just going to ask the city manager or the deputy city manager there’s a thousand vacant Toronto Community Housing Apartments that aren’t being held back that aren’t for relocation or there’s no capital work what are we doing as a city to fill those 1,000 to make sure they are filled that’s a thousand units sitting empty I don’t know who to answer who can answer that Ajay can augment but we are working very closely with TC HC I’m filling their vacant units some of the challenges are there’s a number of them my understanding are Bachelor units and it’s taking us a little more time to get those fills but we’ve reviewed our processes so that we can accelerate getting those units filled there are some units that are scheduled are vacant because there’s refights going on or they’re scheduled to no I’m just gonna those are counted for they’re not part of the thousand there are 1000 units so when will we know exactly when they are going to be filled and who’s putting the pressure on from this end is it service manager service manager is working with them so we have been working very closely with TC HC I am happy to report their vacancy rate has decreased over the last few months we’re working closely with them to make sure that they are filling those vacancies on coming back to meeting their service level that they have with the city of Toronto we are preparing quarterly reports that go forward to economic and development committee each quarter to report on our progress on the centralized waitlist audit but also on TCH C’s ability to fill their vacancies you could just bring the board reports forward to the same committee though couldn’t you that show the vacancies I might move that today thank you for air B&B I’m going to ask the deputy city manager this apparently there’s about 6,000 units that are now what we’re going to call illegal when will the implementation take place for the enforcement that those will now come out into the rental market so it’s through you madam Speaker certainly any complaints we’ve received regarding properties being used as air BnB have been getting investigated and are being investigated and with the passing of the recent the regulation being approved we are continuing MLS is continuing to operate on a complaint basis undertaking investigations that are now enforcement model that it will only be on complaints rather than

sorting out who actually is holding back a rentable apartment from the market is that our approach No so through you madam Speaker just to be clear the regulation governing air B&B allows for gives permission for the use of short term rental purposes under certain guidelines I’ve spoken with MLS staff I’m advised that by the summer 2020 they anticipate the technology solution necessary to facilitate the the property registration will be implemented in the meanwhile MLS has continued to enforce on a complaint basis and my understanding is they have had a very positive response from Airbnb being one of the largest short-term rental platforms in responding to issues so do you have any idea how many there are actually are that will be considered not a principal residence so through you madam Speaker at this point no okay so we don’t know all right the next thing is actually to mr. Godin I noticed in the report that there are there were six thousand roughly the same number of illegal air B&B of places but there are six thousand people that were part of the consultation do you happen to know how many were part of the previous housing Toronto housing plan consultation is that high low or is that just about standard for the number of people that would be involved through the chair the range in the last consultation in 2009 was about a thousand Toronto residents a thousand in 2009 and now using I guess we did hire Laura was hired for that correct in did we have a third party that did that in 2009 yes we did engage a third party to assist us so this time there were six thousand interactions that’s what it says in the report maybe maybe you’re gonna correct no that’s correct counselor there was also fifty-two organizations in the city that were funded that worked with low-income and marginalized and racialized groups that held their own consultations that we assisted them with okay thank you Thank You counsel pleasure councillor holiday thanks madam Speaker I think it’s through you too mr. garden I just wanted to continue on some of the questions from councillor Matt low his questions talked a little bit about some of the funding arrangements for fordable housing you know paraphrase if I remember quickly from the start of the questions the first was the funded affordable housing through the deferral or forgiveness of property taxes development charges and through different supply arrangements of land at below-market cost that I capture that correctly that’s the general gist yes that’s currently what what’s proposed under the new plan I seem to recall some comments in there that these type of arrangements are inadequate I think was the comment for what the larger vision is I think it’s for 20,000 to 40,000 homes did I understand that correctly I threw the chair think overtime mcourser the next ten years the city should be assessing how it can achieve affordability in these arrangements and we have not proposed any dramatic change to the way we’re currently doing business but it is something that we need to keep an eye on recognizing the construction costs in Toronto Drive the overall project costs which then result in less affordability right so I you know at some point we’re gonna run out of land and at some point you know development charges are only worth so much per unit I came from what it is 60 or a hundred thousand dollars and amortized that out you know how does the math work you know how will we raise the money to support such a large endeavor it’s pretty ambitious I think you would agree that we’re pursuing 20,000 units so is there any sense on how we’re going to fulfill those obligations thank you through the chair one of the mechanisms that’s been available to the city and the cities across the country has been through the National Housing Strategy the federal government through Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation is making available low-cost loans and also grants to nonprofit and cooperative housing organizations so the plan particularly relies on a continuation of programs that both the federal and provincial governments have or could make available into the future so that we’re not simply going alone but clearly the plan lays out a structure and a funding framework that invites the other orders of government to join us so doing do I have it right though I thought I recall it was about two billion dollars was the need to fund this plan as laid

out did I capture that correctly through the chair 1.9 billion one point okay so for the construction of the 20,000 housing for the construction of the unis and do we have any sense on how what the lifespan is on these in some arrangements I understand you know there’s a fixed period of time there’s a benefit provided to the person that develops the project that’s amortized out over the over a fixed period of time and the savings or the that benefit transfer then results in a reduced level of rent or mortgage for the individual what happens over the longer term what happens after 15 years and the person’s living in the home and says look I you know I’ve been paying my rent all along I don’t know what to do next run out of an agreement yeah through it through the chair as it’s being discussed earlier and I mentioned in a response to councilor Matt Lowe we’ve extended the affordability periods to a minimum of 30 years the committee and the recommendation before council today is that we extend that where possible in perpetuity and so these are arrangements going forward that we’ll be discussing with our nonprofit and private organisations insofar as achieving those much longer affordability periods I will say one other thing in response as well is that the homes themselves the rental homes are not owned by the city unlike Toronto Community Housing homes so that the repairs and the responsibility to upkeep those units are not the city’s but are actually transferred to third parties and in there there’s some discussion about redefining what affordability is I understand now it’s a formula that it basically represents an amount slightly less than the average market rent but I seem to recall in the report it was some discussion about setting it at 30 percent of the individual or the individual households income and I wondered in the few seconds that I’ve got left that if we revisited this concept of affordability that represents a very large difference in dollars how on earth would we ever pay for this in in consideration a lot of the projects have to do with a one-time transaction of land or or capital inject and here we’re talking about a large amount of money that be given over a very long period of time how did how could a city fund that through the chairs what we heard during the consultation period was that on average today a two-bedroom apartment is renting at about $1,500 and the city through our current definition defines that as affordable what the community and the people we spoke to said was that affordability needed to be a band across rent levels and income levels so that we were getting a mix of residents as opposed to all of the two bedrooms being at $1,500 and so as a part of this program we’re gonna look to achieve that through a number of other government programs like the Canada Ontario Housing Benefit and as well we will reporting to Council and to the public on how well we do in reaching a range of incomes as opposed to here’s the definition and it’s okay if it rents to $1,500 and you know our job will be done people have told us that’s not good enough Thank You councillor Cole question of staff how many empty market homes are there out there do we have any way of calculating that you know the ghost condos that are out there the empty houses are bought by offshore people do we have any idea of how many empty homes there are in the City of Toronto through the chair there is no precise number in fact next year our staff are going to be reporting back with respect to the issue of a vacancy tax and we’re trying to get a fix on that number of what they of what homes would be vacant you may also be familiar that the federal government with respect to vacant homes that are foreign owned also had committed to bringing in attacks on those homes as well and if we look at the experience of Vancouver by way of example it’s not really being the vacancy tax is not being brought forward in order to raise revenue it happens to have done that but really to encourage owners that have homes that are vacant to have them occupied so we don’t really have any idea now how many these are vacant whether it be homes and standalone single-family dwellings are into condo we don’t really know right now through the chair there’s a range of estimates that they’re not really reliable staff when they report early next year we’ll try to drill down on

that very question another question in terms of finding ways the means of building more affordable housing I know we brought forth those 11 properties earlier this year have we ever examined the possibility of increasing density or housing on top of the the old city of York City Hall for instance Scarborough City Center excuse me and have we ever looked at that as a possible site for housing through the chair I can’t say I’m familiar with the fact that those sites are being evaluated by our real estate folks and we are also as a part of our work through the housing now initiative working with create tío and our real estate folks to ensure that all of the sites of the city are being maximized within our real estate strategy so those farmer city halls are being looked at as possible housing sites are not excluded for some reason through the chair like I don’t you’re putting words in my mouth what what I will say to you is that sites are all being looked at with respect to how you would maximize those real-estate values oh and Josie’s here Thank You Josie please so through the speaker we are looking at all our properties councillor Cole for all opportunities right for a city building including affordable housing ok specifically the old city of York City Hall is a possible site we are looking at all properties won’t be coming back with the appropriate report on errors thank you I’ll be looking forward to that cow sir Co it’s City of York please happens to be in my word cow sir Parata thank you so much speaker yeah I’m just trying to understand how this is going to work and and what our share of the what our what our contribution is towards the 40 the creation of these 40,000 units and then what it’s going to look like after that so all the conversations that I’ve had with people that are built housing suggest that to create a unit you know with the average one to two-bedroom unit and averaging it out across the city because there are different costs across the city of Toronto it’s somewhere between 400 and 450 thousand dollars a unit would you agree or disagree with that counselor that’s correct that’s the number I used earlier right sorry I missed that there I was I wasn’t paying as close attention as I could at night night and I’m sorry if if I’m sounding repetitive so I multiply I take the low end and I multiply 40,000 times 400,000 and I get 16 billion that’s what it equals right so so it would take roughly about 16 billion dollars to create 40,000 units so what would be our share of that 16 billion through the chair or less through the chair recognizing right that residents will pay rent and there’ll be mortgages attached and these buildings and the construction will be financed so we’re really looking at what are the equity contribution that the city would be making what about ships and that’s the number that’s contained here where we’ve suggested it we built 1.9 billion dollars so about two billion dollars would be our equity contribution to creating this housing and yes they get left with with mortgages and yes there would be rents and yes there would be there would be some monies accruing to the city so so now we make a two billion dollar country equity contribution to creating 40,000 units and the 40,000 units in large part I understand there will be housing that will be created under different models but in large part there’ll be 40,000 units that will come available to to Torontonians at around 80% of market value wherever that market value may be or is there right correct through the chair we’ve actually moved away from the market value approach in this report and suggested that it would be based really on a range of incomes that people could afford to pay based on 30 percent of their income right but at a certain point you’re correct that there will be an average across the whole building whether it be 50 60 70 80

% the deeper we get the better but as councillor Holliday has pointed out you need to invest more public money so so roughly it’ll be about 80 percent of market value and then how you get to that 80 percent will be made up of a combination of things some people will apply to certain programs they’ll get some supports for that but because the bulk of the units are going to essentially being be managed and owned by third parties there and and and given that that you know when you give all the offsets by you know the lower interest rates the discounts on or the the contributions in terms of development charges property tax and all those other things you still got to get at least to that eighty percent someone’s got to get there right that’s that’s essentially what’s going to be paid in terms of a rent through the chair you’re correct okay okay thank you thank you are there any further questions before I close it off okay speakers can awesome at low two motions one is that we in lieu of Doug Ford ensuring that there is rent control on all new units in the province of Ontario that if we are introducing development rental developments on our properties that we ensure that there is rain control on those the other one is that we that we do a value for money evaluation on on this plan to make sure that this is the right way to go all right now I’m going to start from ladder two for two former four with respect to the value for money evaluation in no way am I suggesting that I know that this is the wrong way to go this might be the right way to go in fact I assume in suspect that by deferring development charges and taxes it is a creative way on the architects part to as they you know would often say put skin of the game so that we can and sent other orders of government to come in matches and the I am I’m positive that there’s been a lot of thought put into that strategy that being said though it is unproven we don’t know the valuations of those properties that I asked mister I have not seen and I actually don’t know for a fact if they are public just because I’ve I’ve never I’ve never seen them anywhere public and I and I look forward to seeing them if they do exist ultimately I don’t know if there are not better ways to use these properties that we have and there’s only a finite number of them to be able to contribute the most amount of affordable housing to our city but I also am open to the possibility that this might be a terrific strategy but without a value for money evaluation I have no I don’t know and I think it is only prudent to do so and frankly if the if those who brought this action plan to us are confident in the plan then there should be no fear whatsoever to support a value for money evaluation and then of course that report will support their their proposal without a doubt with respect to rank control when we don’t have rent control everything in the RTA is moved all the protections for tenants don’t exist you’ll worry if you’re a tenant what if I complain what if I complain that there’s mice in my unit well their landlord now just just up my rent by a few hundred dollars what if I have something to complain about something something broken in my units do I just stay quiet or am I able to use the rights that are in the Residential Tenancies Act maybe I’ll stay quiet because I don’t want my landlord to up my rent another $500 Doug Ford cancels a lot of things what he did is he cancelled the rights of tenants in this province and he created a two-tier society where tenants who live in existing units have more rights than tenants who live in new units who have no rights we as a council and our mayor have said that we disagree with what Doug Ford did when he rolled back rent control so how on earth and how in good conscience can we approve a plan with public lands that we own on behalf of Torontonians and not impose rent control we have an opportunity to do so we can say very clearly that we’re not going to

entertain any deal with anyone unless they commit completely that they will stay within the guidelines and provide those tenants not only affordable rents but have the rights that should be provided under provincial legislation which is missing because of a premier who doesn’t care about them housing is the I think it’s fair to say that crisis priority for us all I want to extend my genuine and heartfelt gratitude that we have leadership in the city that gets that deputy mayor and a bylaw gets it mara Tory gets it he’s made it a core focus of his term and I think the majority of members of council do too but sometimes there are just these blind spots that that need to be addressed and if we move forward with allowing these lands to slip out of the realm of our control even if we continue to own them without doing what we can now to ensure that those rights are protected we’re going to miss that opportunity on their behalf and also even though we think this strategy is good we don’t know this strategy is good think about the last 30 years how many strategies have we thought were wonderful that didn’t work out perfectly and if we do a value-for-money evaluation Thank You ones we’ll have a better idea of what we’re walking Thank You councillor Matt Lowe thank you we do have a question for you think ila counselor I’m just trying to understand on your motion for the rent control how is this different from what we asked staff to come back in January because we asked for the land and any properties that receives incentives so doesn’t that cover we’ve already asked in that direction and as you recall I hope I hope to draft that with you and in others and so as I understand our intent the big difference is this that was folk Stan Landes that we had already approved an RFP is moving forward this did not consider a proposed action plan that we hadn’t even at least publicly conceived of yet so I wonder what I want to ensure of is before we approve this plan but we are not just thinking about or considering maybe imposing rent control but that this is part and parcel of this plan moving forward are you aware that any lands required through this plan are gonna have to go through an RFP and so the the motion that was placed last month which the data and the report on the impact coming in January affect everything moving forward so that we can make a decision with the evidence in front of us on this issue and we we we did not we did not actually just ask for what was the 11 sites but any sites in the future asking for incentives or any lands in the future when we brokered the the way that was written at the time that admittedly though was in response to our concerns regarding moving forward with those sites without rain control on the evidence is already clear though before we even approve this though that if we don’t have rent control on any sites moving forward that we will leave these tenants on their own in a way that I don’t believe any of us want to do so you know are you trying to say you don’t need the information coming in January to make that conclusion what I I guess the the fairest way to say it is that I’m interested in reading that report but you know I was really I was willing to relent at that time after a discussion with Mara Torre that that I was willing to say okay let’s ask for the report here but but do I need more evidence at this point you don’t need more I’m convinced that rent control is important to have to protect these days no next next motion with with your next motion was with regards to was Oh finally for a minute are you asking for a value for money on the entire plan or a value for money on housing now program or open door program what exactly are you asking for a value for money I eat component the entire plan what do you realize that this plan was circulated through 20 divisions okay count counselor counselor appreciate that it was circulated by divisions yeah thank you well if I may just answer your question and I just haven’t responded yet but what it hasn’t done what we don’t know and I don’t and I don’t see it in front of us it’s a value from any assessment

of whether or not the best way to achieve the best the the greatest number of affordable units with every dollar we either have now or will have tomorrow is through deferred these seeds and okay thank you councillor bradford clarification of the motion how how would this be different than the conversations sorry motion one a value for money when this goes through Budget Committee in the budget process because the budget committee in the budget process doesn’t do a dollar fund value from any assessment do you have a clearer sense of what you would be what sort of information would you be trying to glean from a report I know that we talked a lot about value for money assessments on different things what would that what would you be expecting to get back on the entire plan broken down into different sections by the first quarter of 2020 why don’t I mean I admittedly I wouldn’t ask for this if I knew exactly what I was gonna get back but I’ll give you examples just to you know to entertain one is maybe they’ll come back and they’ll say this strategy is dead on and this is the best way to go this is the best value for money maybe they’ll say you sell a portion of land and you reinvest that into a building adjacent to it and then you’re able to build a more units yourself maybe there’s a plan where you you invest more you know cash now upfront so that it might be cheaper in the long run I don’t know what they’ll say but I just don’t know for a fact that deferring dc’s and property taxes is overall going to be the most effective way to use each one of those tax dollars to build the greatest number of properties now maybe it will be and I just want to make this vertically R in no way am i bashing this plan this plan may be wonderful I I just don’t know without that assessment what do you think the premise of the plan was based on they they talked to 6,000 people years of consultation work with the development community work with advocacy communities renters folks from across the entire spectrum here in the city how do you think they arrived at this plan if they weren’t considering the most effective way and the most feasible way to actually deliver housing here I you know I can’t speak for the minds of those who worked on it I can only assume and I alluded to this earlier I think they were trying to be really creative I I think you know with the dearth of funds available to us and in like you know liquid cash right there that they thought okay how do we how do we challenge the federal and provincial governments to to meet us and to provide more money for affordable housing and to support our plan and this was a really creative and I think really innovative way to say okay this is somewhere we can kind of in some ways say we’ve got something to put on the table without really having cash to put up front so that’s what I think went through their heads but again you’d have to ask mr Gavin and Anna by lo and others I can only tell you as a member of council that I’m not 100% convinced that it is either the only or perhaps even the best way to go about a housing plan and what I’d like to know whether it be a transit project or whether it be a housing project is look at the look at a value for money assessment and then you know in know in certain terms whether or not each dollar is getting the most of the product that you’re trying to to provide that was your last question sorry Thank You counsel Wang time to speak yes thank you very much ma’am Speaker I do have three separate motions and I would ask the clerks that put that on the screen the first one is to make a request of staff to do the best that they can to support the city of Toronto’s existing rent Bank program by one improving the program’s visibility on the city’s website finding new ways to promote this program as we noted throughout the line of question to staff they did say that this is a program that actually helps people move out of shelters and stay away from homelessness and then to try to extend the program to tenants in rear a sort of rent gear to income situations and then to undertake an evaluation the rent brand program and have them report back by the end of 2020 motion number two is to direct this general manager of SSA J to include $70,000 into their operating budget submissions so that goes to the budget process to determine whether or not we can actually hire one additional full-time employee so that we can actually remove the backlog and to keep the casework caseload at 50 cases per employee and there are some very complicated cases for individuals that perhaps could be better assess if they

had more time with those with those individuals we’re going through the trusteeship program and finally the third motion is to make a request of the Government of Canada to immediately fund and accelerate the development of emergency housing allowance fund to prevent additional people from falling into homelessness and to quickly move people out of shelters into permanent housing and madam Speaker that last motion does not cost the city of Toronto anything but since we’re heading of by way of the motion that was moved at at the committee and also the fact that councillor viola will be standing up to enhance those motions we know that there is going to be already efforts to bring all orders of government together to address housing crisis and and to address the the homelessness emergency I want to thank the mayor and I want to thank deputy mayor by Lao I’d like to thank city staff and in particular as Shaun Gavin this is your final report we will certainly miss you very greatly on the floor we’ve had lots of good conversations as we try to make the numbers work in the sites work and I know we’ve had so many successes and I want to say that this is a I know this is your final report and I just want to say thank you personally for giving it your very best and your all I do think that we are at this particular cross point where we have to escalate and scale up and expand every possible effort we can to get as much done to divert as many people away from homelessness and I recognize that all these city obviously strategies need money and you need coordinated efforts the City of Toronto has done a significant amount and clearly we need to do more because that this emergency is so large that we can’t do it on our own which is why I’m very grateful that we are going to do the very best we can to bring the other orders of government to the table by by recognizing this as the emergency afford it is and I do think that it’s important to us for us also to recognize that there are proportions that are that are I think well I could I think we can all call it a disaster when we have over 11,000 people either sleeping rough in shelters and Russ bets and sleeping and ravines and on the streets and in our parks those people are facing harm physical harm they’re exposed to the elements and they’re facing potential death this past month we learned that there were 13 new names added to the homeless memorial and and over a thousand names have been added since the memorial became what we now know it as a public record of those who we know are that are that have died from homelessness or being Street involved frontline housing and shelter workers are reporting a dramatic new wave of homelessness we know that tenants are crying for help because of renovations renovations as well as Airbnb rentals we know that the commodification of real estate and rental buildings across the city have put Toronto on the map for global hedge fund and players and we also know that this winner-take-all game of Monopoly is leaving Toronto in the grips of many global forces that we cannot have go on our own it’s important for us to step up and scale up as much as we can and I think it’s also important for us to use the right language to describe the situation that we’re in which is why I’m really really grateful that we will be asking counsel and counsel by law is going to be doing this to actually recognize homelessness as an emergency and the and the response that we have to come up with has got to be entirely coordinated it has to be an inter government to approach I hope that we have the full support of Council because I think that this report actually takes us a big distance thank you and finally madam Speaker I just want to thank those who have actually forced us to look at housing from a human rights lens because I think that is also that the way for us to move into the future thank you very much thank you count sir holiday to speak thank you madam Speaker I just wanted offer a couple of brief remarks and first of all thank deputy and by mayor by law for one of the advanced circulation motions that recognizes the regional nature and the externality of the homelessness pressure that we have in the city of Toronto and I think it’s good that we remind other governments that decisions and policy decisions that they’re making have an impact in this city an Ergo an impact on the taxpayers in this city and the residents of this city but one thing I would be remiss if I didn’t make some comments about the matter that’s before us I took a fairly defined view in the last couple of votes we had about how I felt what the role of our government is and you know I expressed a great deal of

concern about income transfer programs and whether or not we’re the government that that should be doing that and this report here is largely that you know there is there is room to create housing solutions in Toronto and I’ve afforded I’ve sorry I’ve supported some of the affordable housing initiatives that we’ve done so far we’ve talked about those in the open door program I really like those I like the design of those because they’re very compartmentalized we monetize an asset that we’ve got or we defer attacks that we’ve got over a period of time and that translates to a benefit and that serves as a stepping-stone from somebody that may be between the space of market rent and what we would you would call as social housing and it’s a bit of a subsidy program but it’s it’s quite defined I do this with concerns with what the proposal is before us it’s quite an aggressive one it’s 20,000 units and with a total goal of 40,000 you know the concern I have I guess is that it represents an entire cohort or a generation that may be turning to the government to help them make ends meet and and meet their rent without sort of an exit and what I what I say about that is is what happens when the the the program or the subsidy runs out and I asked some questions about funding this and this is where I really begin to worry is that we’re relying on other governments to support this program and if history shows us we know that those government’s can be volatile and and perhaps withdraw their support over time and that leaves the city having to cope with this and we’re not talking about a few thousand people in a few thousand houses we’re talking tens of thousands and I don’t know how we would cope to go back to the property tax base to try to have maneuver and deal with this so what we are doing here is a major policy shift at the City of Toronto a complete shift in the way that this government will operate into the future and I believe that it’s a multi-generational decision because of the financial impact so I regret that it’s as aggressive as it is before us because it leaves me with a lot of questions and it’s spelled out in the report that you know the current model that we’ve got may not be adequate to fund what is being proposed and I have some difficulty supporting it because I was very clear on how I felt about the tax increase in the last go-around it would be disingenuous to say that I would just turn say let’s just do this knowing full well that you know they were through the property tax we’re going to have to pay for these significant types of investments in income transfer programs and perhaps maybe the last thing that I would make some comment to that I would urge council to give some thought to is in the report it talked about redefining what what it means by affordable right now we look at a model where we look at the average market rent and then we we look at affordability of something less than that I understand that floats with the market that’s external to the individual but there had been a proposal in this report to look at fixing it more on the individual and bringing it down to 30 percent of their income I know there’s a lot of people out there a lot of people out there that pay more than 30 percent of their income on their total housing cost and so you know that concerns me that if we would start to adopt a policy like that because it’s not our GI but it is some sort of a subsidy based on income and again trying to fund that program on a permanent basis on a perpetual basis that word came up a lot today perpetual funding is something that worries me and worries me as a curator of services here or somebody that as a service manager is getting into the space of trying to fund and most alarmingly is for it’s all work we’re gonna have to rely on income streams from other governments that can’t necessarily assure us that they’re going to stay in perpetual in perpetuity so I hope as we deal with these questions as they arise over time because I understand this is a broad and visionary plan the council pays attention to the sort of the creep of responsibility that we will build and taking this working in this path thank you thank you cancer Cressy well thank you speaker I anticipated more people would be speaking and so I’ve just put my name on quickly let me begin first of all by thanking our city of Toronto staff our our chief here on this file Shaun receive some well-deserved and well-earned accolades this morning and I want to commend him and his whole team and this has been an interdepartmental piece of effort and so I want to thank them all we have a housing advocate and a deputy mayor here

in councilor by Lao who’s been steadfast and I want to recognize her leadership and also the mayor who I believe in in his second term here has put affordability around housing at the forefront of its agenda I want to recognize and commend that I think this report speaks to a deep fear and worry that many people in this city have as it relates to the affordability of housing that if you’re on if you’re looking for subsidized housing at an affordable rate we have a hundred thousand households on the waiting list if you’re not looking for a subsidized rate but you’re just looking for basic rental housing we’ve become the most expensive city in the country in which to rent $2,300 for a one-bedroom and if you’re homeless for 8,000 people every night in this city who are homeless we’re struggling to provide a an entering into a shelter and there’s almost no pathway out and so where I believe the 10-year plan in front of us does provide significant and deep and important improvements is to first and foremost redefine what affordability means to so that it is truly affordable to ensure that where we are seeking affordable affordable housing that it’s in perpetuity where possible as opposed to these 25-year terms that we’ve done in the past and that the objective to build 40,000 new units alongside working with other levels of government rents ups and portable housing allowances they always are significant they are a vast improvement over where we’ve been in the past and they are positive and I want to recognize and thank and commend everyone for that let me let me pause on on the piece as it relates to housing that I’m deeply concerned about and that is on the homeless from last week we had the homeless memorial 995 people have now been added to the list and we added 13 names I’ve been to many homeless memorials I last week there’s always a moment at the homeless memorial every month for people who knew one of our sadly deceased individuals can stand up and say a few words and for the first time in my life for three years it was a member of our waterfront community myself my office many neighbors in the in in the baths receiver would had tried to find Richard a supportive housing unit he didn’t want a shelter he’d had bad experiences in the shelter system he wanted a supportive housing unit and he needed a supportive housing unit frankly because of some complex challenges that he had experienced in what’s experiencing over three years we failed to find him that unit and on a personal level I failed as a counselor to help find in that unit and in early November he froze to death as a homeless man and I’m deeply concerned as we collectively begin to roll out this 10-year plan that we are not adequately providing the pathways out of the shelter system and out of homelessness and I the plan in front of us and I’ve articulated where I believe this is a vast and significant and big step for us where it takes a big move on affordability in the definition of it and building new units where I’m concerned is working with the other levels of government that far too many or continue to be left out and I I want to commend and thank councillor Wong Tam and perks and deputy mayor by Lao for bringing forward which has been circulated these amendments in front of us because I think all three levels of government need to treat this with the urgency that it is you know mr. mayor every every month you convene your roundtable on coordinating transportation and it’s working really well around the capital works coordination I think all three levels of government need to have the similar level of urgency and coordination around ending homelessness Thank You councillor Christine that’s where I think we need to focus Thank You councillor Leighton yes thank you very much I want to be inspired by five most of the work that we do here I want to be able to go home at the end of the day tell my partner about what great things we introduced and passed in this chamber I want to be able to years from now tell my kids some of the stuff we did here and how proud I

was I want to be able to point at buildings and say that’s what we did I want to be able to remember that the time I spent here was worthwhile and on on issues like housing which is one of the critical issues of the day and it probably has been for decades but it certainly is we’re at a point in the city of Toronto that we’ve reached that that critical critical point I was hoping to see a plan that would knock my socks off that would that would blow me away and when I saw the original number that was published I thought whoa we’re gonna be invest in this some real money into this but then as I started flipping through the actual investments the new investments I gotta say I wasn’t overly impressed now the motions that are coming forward here today reinforce I think for me some of the good things in the report some of those I can be really proud of this the inclusion of of housing is a human right this is a step that I think will have measurable and real consequences on our policies as a city moving for now the report fell shy of saying appoint the individual but but working working with councilor by Lao our housing advocate with the housing advocates that are here today and others from across the city we were able to change that and that’s good and there were other steps towards that end that helped bring us from that sort of mediocre not overly ambitious plan to something that I think we can all go home and be proud of but there are still places in the report that I think could be improved and I had I had debated at length with myself and had conversations with others about what we could improve and how we could pass possibly loo use part of the operating variants to be quite honest that we’re voting on tomorrow to help fund some of this work table really take a bite out of the problem I was convinced not to by our CFO and more out of a process arrangement that perhaps with the mayor with councilor by Lao pushing the other levels of government that the that that building at the the city building fund that we voted on earlier may actually be able to be used for that purpose as well and so rather than pick the pocket of where that money would go I’m entrusting our housing advocate and our mayor to not only go to the table and ask for the money that it’s outlined in this report which is the vast majority of the money that was announced our other levels of government but not only say we’ve already committed our piece but going and say we’ve stuck our neck out to our constituents said we’re gonna raise more revenue we’re willing to put more money in but it needs a commitment from the other levels I’m willing to do that today partly because the work that I’ve seen our housing advocate and mayor do part partly based on on how they’ve moved the file forward but if we don’t see greater action than this continuing the existing housing now program is good but that is sticking to the plan that we’ve been on for the last four years continuing on the open-door policy is good but it’s sticking to the same plan we’ve been on for the last four years and I gotta ask you has it gotten measurably better for people seeking how’s it it has built some units but it hasn’t done the ambitious and the bold work that we need to do as a committee as a committee as a council what we also have coming back soon are three import or two important things that this council needs to be reminded of there in the report but they don’t have a specific recommendation one is on the inclusionary zoning policy when it comes back we can’t bend to developers we have to be bold in that push and push the province to allow us to have strong measures the vacancy home tax we need to get beyond these speculators and investors and say housing and residential units is about homes not simply about how an investor can make a whole lot of money in the City of Toronto thank you thank you councillor Leighton councillor Bradford is next thank you very much madam Speaker I rise to say and echo many of the comments from my colleagues here

today that I actually think that this is the housing plan that Toronto has been waiting for and that Toronto is needed we’re finally there we’re closing the book on a ten-year chapter that left a lot to be desired with the previous housing plan that you know had some ambitious targets and ideas but in many respects failed to materialize and from the dozens and dozens of Deputies who come out to planning and housing committing month after month we hear those stories we hear that struggle and we understand that the city and all levels of government have not done enough to match the need that is out there with affordability right now we hear that so I really see this as a as a chance to reset and it is a once-in-a-generation opportunity here and I want to take a second here to acknowledge and thank everyone who was involved in preparing this document I want to thank our deputy mayor and a bail out for her work on the housing file I want to thank Mayor John Tory for his work in moving this forward in the housing now program and probably most of all I want to thank Shaun got in here and this is my opportunity to do so for his years and years and years of service at the city pushing this boulder up the hill and and realizing real progress with this blueprint that’s in front of us as a way forward a couple other things to note that I mentioned that committee it’s a little less remarkable but a footnote at the top of page three points out that there was actually 20 different city divisions that were involved in the preparation of this report I only I only bring that forward as something to point out because it that almost never happens we’re very siloed you know as bureaucracy that’s that’s typically what happens but I have faith in our ability to actually implement this plan because they had so many hands on it there’s a lot of ownership there and across different divisions and let’s be honest that’s how these things actually move forward people have a stake in this game and they have a stake in the success of this report the second thing I want to acknowledge is the fact that when we look at the language in the recommendations it’s actually bold recommendation number five has language about moving forward with that position here at the City of Toronto for someone whose job is actually to address the systemic housing discrimination and systemic hurdles inherent in our housing system here in the City of Toronto normally that stuff gets parked somewhere in the body of a report paragraphs down the page but there you go right right on page five there in the recommendations you can see it loud and clear so I think that that is a great accountability metric as well I think it’s easy to become cynical about politics about policy and about housing in cities like Toronto with all the pressure that we’re facing and I understand that for good reason but there’s no hiding from a plan of this magnitude there’s no walking back from the incredible powerful statements that we’re making in front of us here today and that the starting premise is that housing is a human right that is a different place than we were a year ago and everybody knows that and it’s a fundamental shift in the way that we’re gonna be addressing this problem going forward and that’s a powerful one it changes the way our divisions are going to deliver the services that we have to do and we heard about the importance of that from the community and from deputies and for more than 6,000 Torontonians that had their hands on this report in building what is a seminal document in front of us so I know that we have a lot of challenges there’s a lot of talk about what Toronto is bringing to the table versus the other levels of the government that’s an unfortunate reality of the world that we live in and I know that everybody here in this chamber fully appreciates and acknowledges that but I think we’re being strategic in our efforts and what we can do in creating something that other governments will not only want to support but frankly have to support we have again provided the roadmap and we’re pushing ourselves as a city to actually move that forward things like creating a land bank with our assets and encouraging the province and the federal governments to do the same that is actually going to help us get value for money maximum leverage maximum housing on these sites I you know if you if you’ve been paying attention and planning in housing you know that or Toronto parking authority I am pushing and challenging the numbers that we’re landing on those sites you want to talk about value for money I think that we need to look at those sites and see how much housing were actually achieving on some of those sites we need to be pushing we need to be aggressive we need to be making sure that our sites and our assets are doing all the heavy living to deliver as much housing as possible and I know that our deputy mayor is on that as well and pushing for that also I think the other big thing is that definition around affordability and having something that works in the 21st century and in our real estate context I think it’s very powerful as well and we’re gonna actually see some results in that that specta also so I know it’s extremely challenging housing in this city has been an issue for a long time and we feel it more acutely now than we ever had before but I’m happy to give my full support to this and encourage all my

colleagues to do the same Thank You councillor Fletcher thanks speaker I just want to this morning I didn’t jump up and say thank you to mr. GAD and for his long service here at the City of Toronto but I do want to thank him and say here is a housing plan that he’s worked on to deliver for the next ten years and how important that is strategically in everything that’s in it so I’ve worked with Sean Gadd Anan delivering many things and particular the Don Somerville site which was originally simply a replacement of our GI and then we’ve added a hundred affordable and more rental which is very important and coming up 838 broad view to get affordable housing whenever we have a piece of land to include that so I just want to echo all of the speeches today and thank you for this and also say what a way to go out that in 2009 there was 1,000 people that were engaged in the housing plan 2019 there were 6,000 people probably I don’t think there’s been that many real engagements when I look and see there were do-it-yourself there were tables there were emails there were organizations it’s really so exciting to see that many people engaged because as we now have acknowledged in this report we do have a housing emergency we have a housing emergency whether it’s people seeking shelters we have a housing emergency with housing refugees in the city up to forty five percent of our beds and we have a housing emergency because as councillor McKelvey said she doesn’t want her kids she loves them but she doesn’t want them at home for the rest of her life and their life because there are very few affordable places now for sons and daughters and nieces and nephews and grandchildren to move the city is becoming so unaffordable so this housing plan is about affordability it’s very ambitious we also have to build housing housing now I don’t think we should forget that this term we also have brought up housing now with 11 sites have approved – I think the Etobicoke centers coming up shortly it’s massive change with thousands of affordable units that will be built there we’re reimagining and redesigning communities and that actually is part of this housing plan we also have said in the auditor-general set to Toronto Community Housing you can’t miss opportunities any longer with the land you have to add affordable housing whenever you’re building something and I can look at my dawn mount your redevelopment many redevelopments across the city the Toronto Community Housing did there are almost no new affordable units there what a waste of our land housing now is an about-face on that use our land build new make sure we’re building affordable housing so this is a sea-change 6,000 people housing now change to Toronto Community Housing and then I just want to speak about the protection of people that are living and currently affordable housing unfortunately the landlord and tenant board last week overturned a request not to evict ten tenants on Queen Street these run evictions are just happening over and over again from stable modest rental to be jacked up two and three times the cost of that rental again with air B&B as I was asking our deputy city manager there are many of these sites including one where there was a shooting imagine you’re living somewhere with a semi somebody has an air B&B they’re living somewhere else they have the air B&B and in the middle of the night bullet bullets come through your wall bullets through the semi into your home through an illegal air B&B I want us to crack down faster be more proactive but I lastly want to say we cannot do this alone and I think the report shows that I believe very strongly in the ability of our city manager who went to Queens Park had great conversations very strong our mayor and his staff that had the same conversations to convince other levels of government that they cannot leave this city this economic engine in the lurch that we have to get the money step up work together work together to build

housing in the City of Toronto to build affordable housing in the city and across the waterfront Thank You councillor Cole yeah I I think that it’s easy to get feel anxious and depressed about the state of affairs and housing in Toronto obviously but I there’s one positive thing that has happened is that through the mayor’s advocacy we were able to get 1.3 billion dollars from the federal government for repairs to our housing stock the TCH C and that was quite a significant investment that’s never been done to that magnitude before since the offloading and downloading so that is something that we can sort of say as a positive I just also want to say that you know the the real dilemma is here that the incredible advocacy that the City of Toronto historically has had about housing and the incredible advocates that have been here and the ones that are here today in a way sometimes are self-defeating because people begin to think that we as a City of Toronto Council have the power to solve the housing problem Oh call your counselor talk to the mayor they’re doing stuff they really care about housing and affordable housing and all the social pressures of dealing with our people that are homeless they really always look to the City Council and so subsequently there are people at the other levels of government sometimes get off the hook and they don’t spend as much time and therefore don’t allocate the resources they should to take care of this joint responsibility which is housing and you know the the scary thing is that you know I saw that figure this week $2,300 a month for a one-bedroom apartment in Toronto that is outrageous how can people make enough money to pay that kind of rent in the City of Toronto and everything else is so expensive here whether it be childcare whether it be the the price of going to the cleaners or everything so that is a daunting thing to overcome and then on top of that we’ve got 70,000 new people that come into Toronto every year so even though we try and house the people we have here this year you know come in two weeks another 70,000 are going to come here and we have no control over that because despite everything else it seems everybody still wants to come here because their family and friends are here and the jobs are here so try and deal with that 70,000 new people every year then mention again 90 percent of all the social affordable housing in the GTA is in Toronto our neighbors surrounding us don’t really invest and they have the land land they have all kinds of land available they’re not putting any money into providing affordable social housing so how do we affect that change we can’t because that basically isn’t a priority in the outline in gta’ communities then on top of that we’ve been given another gift and that is the dhih control over new builds of rental housing and then you know what really gets me flabbergasted is I get calls calling me saying you’ve got to do something about bringing back rent control over new builds and I said well listen yeah we can advocate but we didn’t make this change you elected a government with a huge majority that just gave you that D control here’s the phone number of your MPP of whoever’s in charge the minister of housing they made the change you voted for him possibly so this is what he gets me going when I say well we that the City of Toronto we got to take care of that major change that you voted for you voted for that government then not only gave them a little bit of an amateur you gave me a huge majority unfettered majority and they’re giving you D control so we have to somehow get people that care about housing to join with us in telling these stories so that we can get some meaningful long-term changes because all the great things we’re doing is never going to be enough we can’t control the seventy thousand a year we can’t control rent control policies we can’t control $2,300 a month for an apartment in Toronto how do we

ever do anything about that before I go to the next speaker council long term you need to make an amendment to your motion a to a yes that is correct madam Speaker and I believe if the clerk’s are not going to re-add Vance circulate then they will put it on the screen noted point number two under Section a has now been deleted and merged into point number B or itemize B okay thank you thank you counts there perks all over the world right now people who own shares and real estate income trusts are cashing their dividends and getting ready for a very Merry Christmas all over the City of Toronto our siblings are brothers and sisters who find themselves in difficult straits are living with the physical and emotional anguish of not having a roof over their head as we head into the winter people who are at risk of losing their housing because of real estate speculation are also in anguish what we have here today doesn’t solve that problem counselor by law is going to be moving a motion that says Toronto’s house as an emergency and that’s the reason why I’m prepared to support that’s what’s in front of us today it is an emergency when a society stuffed with wealth like ours is is unable to provide a home to everyone who lives in our city I wish we were here today with a plan that was similar to how they house people in Vienna or Berlin or Stockholm or Glasgow or any of the places where they seriously and truly believe that housing is a birthright that it is a duty of a society to make sure that no one goes to bed ever without a roof over their head where we understand that the systems that generate wealth for all of us who are here today are equally enough distributed so that no one lives with the fear of spending a winter night on a grate we haven’t done that it’s not something we can fix today it’s not something that we can fix in six months or in a year and it’s not something that we fix merely by passing this plan until we understand housing the way we understand health care as something that we all provide to each other because as the mayor said earlier it’s the right thing to do we will not have in my view achieve the kind of civilization that I would expect of the people of Toronto but we’re here for a bunch of reasons we’re here because in the late 90s the federal government decided that they weren’t going to go down the path that European cities go down of saying no we’re committed to the idea of everyone being housed we took a turn we stopped investing in social housing and instead took the path that frankly is the most common one in North America where housing is seen as a way of generating wealth for those who already are in a position of owning wealth and at the same time for creating homelessness for people who don’t own wealth we are going to have to do much much better than this we are going to have to face the reality that even though this plan talks about generating 40,000 units over a decade that right now in the City of Toronto under construction there are 48,000 market units being built we’re not even building a year’s worth of housing for the people who need it while we are generating 48,000 profit generating units yes we’ve adopted the principle of housing as a human right and as that plays out over the decade we will be back here and we will be confronted with the fact that treating a basic need a necessity of life as a way of making wealthy people wealthier is the wrong path yes here today we are agreeing that we when we make investments wherever possible those investments will be permanent and that’s a big step forward yes we are creating the office of the housing commissioner who will be able to hold us to account yes we are calling on the federal and provincial government who have responsibilities for health care to provide the housing supports that that

will make sure that people actually get into stable and well supported housing but we are going to be back here and we are going to be back here over and over and over again until we stop thinking that making wealthy people wealthier has anything to do with our duty to our sisters and brothers to have a safe place to sleep at night thank you no applause please are there any further speakers okay councillor bylaw thank you madam Speaker I do have motions so motion a is very small amendments on the motion that I placed at committee asking for the Intergovernmental working group and to come back with an immediate six-month plan and not only have report back in February but then in June motion B is further actions and requests of the provincial and federal government and this is in recognition that we have a ten-year plan that deals with a lot of these issues and it’s in particular the lack of supportive housing that that we have in our city and how we need the other orders of government to come to the table but that we are experiences unprecedented pressures that we are facing a critical and an emergency issue that needs a coordinated approach that needs immediate actions and for that we have a series of actions not only that we’re going to be taking further they were asking our staff and we’re giving our tools to our staff for the next few months to to coordinate this intergovernmental table but asking of the provincial and federal government my motion see it’s actually to do with students and the involvement of our academic institutions in the implementation of this plan and my last motion is actually to recognize the many many people that were involved in this plan as was mentioned before we had over 6,000 people that responded that participated we had over 52 organizations across the city we had an incredible external Advisory Committee and I see some members in the audience and thank them for that that advised our staff on the on how to put this plan together and the recommendations and I want to thank our staff and as we mentioned before this was a plan that was circulated through 20 divisions and the reason was very clear is because we understand that there were two principles that were coming out of this plan is that if we are to truly have a robust housing plan you need to have the entire corporation buying into it feeding into it and being part of it and feeling that they’re accountable to this plan so I know that Julianna and Sean and the team and through the city manager they made sure that all these departments were being involved and contributed to develop in this plan and this is important because that’s how you affect change that’s how you ensure that the implementation of the report is successful the other principle was that that we are acknowledging the right to housing we are now looking at how to create policy how to have housing in this city with a principle of the right to housing and so I want to thank members of the committee that guided us as well and guided our staff to make sure that we created the foundation to have that done and that in that plan madam Speaker I have with me a public notice from 1944 and I’m gonna read it out loud because in here it says due to the lack of housing accommodation in this city this is a notification that there by given to families residing outside the city that this Minister municipality will not assume any responsibility or provide any assistance in locating living quarters for those families contemplating moving to Toronto the city has exhausted every available means of finding accommodation for those families already in the city and is unable to cope with any additional number for the for your own comfort and convenience do not come to Toronto for housing accommodation and this was signed by the acting mayor of the time Robert Sanders and it’s from July 29 1944 so madam Speaker we we have an option in here we can issue notices like this or we can say that we have a role to play in this issue we understand that other orders of government that had huge huge roles in building social housing in the 90s and the 70s have stepped back but I think that we have been successful in ensuring that everybody’s alerted that this is

this is an issue that if we’re really truly gonna have change in fact change you have to be honest with people and the first thing we need to recognize is that we need three orders of government at the table we as a municipality ourselves don’t have the tools to solve this issue but we know that we have to pull the tools to be persuasive with the other orders of government to make sure that from our shelter system to our market housing that we have action in all these points of the housing spectrum housing is a complex issue housing is an issue that has all kinds of different solutions you can’t have one solution for it to solve housing in the city but one thing is for sure you need the goodwill of all of us to make sure that we truly have an impact in this file to make sure that the city is open for our Torontonians and is is able to afford to have safe housing not only for the residents in Toronto but for our sons and daughters and for the people that are coming and developing this city thank you mara tori to speak well madam Speaker thank you and just along the lines of thanks may I add to the thanks of all those who have gone before me in saying thank you especially to deputy mayor Councillor Anna by Lao for showing great leadership on this and the city staff of course we had some comments this morning about Sean Gadd intro but it can’t be repeated often enough just how much he and the deputy mayor and others worked hard at this and in a way that is a point that I want to make here in addressing because if there are a couple of concerns I have about the debate which I think has generally been positive I think generally supportive of us moving forward it is that we have reached the end the beginning of the plan but the a process that involve literally thousands of people many many many experts all of our professional public servants the best minds we could bring to this and so if I had a concern it would be twofold first of all I’m a bit concerned about this kind of small modest undertone that’s kind of percolating through a bit of the discussion that sort of says somehow this plan is falling way short of what our ambitions should be and I was particularly interested in the exchange between mr. Gavin who I indicated this morning through madam Speaker I had so much respect for I think we all do and mr. councillor Layton where you know they were talking about sort of how these goals were set and so on and and I don’t want to put words in mr. Gannon’s mouth but he was saying what we tried to do was to set a goal that was something that was achievable and if we can do more of course we will but I remember well where the 40,000 number first came from and I guess since then it’s been the subject of extensive consultation I asked in 2018 what number would be a feasible number two or two to look for achieve in ten years and the answer that was given was 30,000 and the 40,000 actually came about at least in that chapter quite unilaterally and that I thought 30,000 wasn’t ambitious enough even though I was told the industry the experts the nonprofit people and so on all said that was what was achievable so I pushed it and pushed them to 40,000 and I guess I would just point out within the context of what our ambitions are of course we’d rather do more of course we will do more if we possibly can but I sort of look at the track record of the council and some of the very people who seem to be disappointed were people actually who were here during most of the time of the last ten year plan and respectfully fell way short of achieving the modest 1,000 unit a target set by them at that time by them they were here I wasn’t actually and so we’re not some of the other people that have spoken today but so I would just say that that let’s get out there and achieve the 40,000 I’ll be the first one to say if we’re five years into this or two years into it or any time into it and we think we can up that to 50 60 70 or any other higher number I’ll be the first one to line up and say that’s exactly what we should be doing I have two other concerns and they both have to do with the motion moved by Councillor Matt Louis a23 you madam Speaker and it’s nothing to do with who’s moving the motion is just what they are the first one is to do with the value for money I guess I would be perhaps I’m naive but it would occur to me that the very purpose of the exercise of consulting the 6,000 people the nonprofit organizations the people in the industry the professional public servants is to answer the question for the money we put up in the way we choose to put it up and there’s a whole bunch of choices as was alluded to in which way do you do that to get the most number of affordable housing units so to me that question has been answered with this plan that a value for money audit in effect was part of it and that by voting now for a value for money audit what we are voting to do is to delay the implementation of this plan because I’m assuming the councilor and his motion wouldn’t be saying well let’s just proceed ahead with it and then the value for money audit will come later and tell us if we did the right thing so that is got a delay the first if not more than the first year of this plan and I

believe that the value for money audit has already been done that is that is what was done inherently in a process involving thousands of people all kinds of organizations who are answering that question if we’re gonna use city land city money City deferrals of taxes and DC’s and things like that what is going to get us the most by way of affordable housing units and that the answer came back with this plan the second motion I have trouble with for a different reason and that is that we specifically explicitly agreed with the support of the very same councillor who’s moving this emotion today and I understand what is his philosophy is behind it and I don’t even entirely disagree with it but we move to motion last day because we didn’t want to make policy on the fly that might affect the response that’s going to come back on the housing now RFPs to just change policy on the fly before we had at least our city management studies and so we voted last time including the councillors support for the city council to request the city manager to report to the January 22nd 2020 meeting on requiring that landlords and do developments where incentives from the City of Toronto been provided be prevented from increasing grants etc etc that was an agreement we all reached as to how we would take a look at this issue on what I’ll call an evidence based basis as opposed to saying let’s just aside because we all think it’s the right thing to do today to do this and so I would suggest at the very least this is redundant at the most it may be requiring it may be something that involves reopening no matter we just voted on at the last meeting but it is not the best way to make public policy I think this plan is a good solid plan I will be absolutely enthusiastic in my advocacy to the other governments as I’ve tried to be before and I think successfully so no stone will be left and turned on getting them to sign on to this plan and if we can achieve this plan before the 10-year time frame then we’ll be upping the goals and getting on with doing the rest of it thank you very much thank you okay so first motion is one a yes it’s on the screen recorded boat councillor Cressy please the motion does not carry the vote is 1 to 24 okay our next motion 3a okay recorded vote counselor Matt Lopez the motion carries 24 to 1 here our next motion oh okay all in favor to reopen carried okay let’s do it again I can’t read lips counselor Fletcher the motion carries unanimously 25 in

favor okay next motion is 1b so counselor Matt Lowe I’m going to rule that your motion 1b requires a reopening of counsel decision on mm 12.3 3 made last month in that motion counsel asked for report to the January 22nd 2020 plenty and Housing Committee on the same topic your motion proposes to advance the decision-making and make that decision today and for that reason a 2/3 vote accounts that required four counts to reopen its previous decision recorded vote your Chuck well we need a two-thirds vote to reopen okay councilor Matt Louis challenging me okay yeah could the challenge of the chair be upheld ruling of the chair councillor Matt lope is challenging me on my decision to reopen yes to be upheld counselor care Janice please the speaker is upheld the vote is twenty three to two thank you all right so now we’re back to the reopening of the members motion previously mm 12.3 3 recorded vote telstra carriages so this is we need the two-thirds vote of council to reopen the members motion mmm 12 3 3 the motion to reopen does not carry the vote is 7 to 18 next motion is can is a motion to a recorded it’s been revised by council wong-tam I’m sorry do okay deputy mayor I can’t hear you you’re pointing to I’d like to have a separate vote on to be or to a sub B so you want to separate a separate vote on to be yes okay Part B okay recorded vote on a cancer prutte so please Part A of the motion carries unanimously 25 in favor okay Part B recorded councillor mallow please art be carries 24 two one okay motion to be courted bolt cows are

cold and castor Pasternak please the motion carries 23 – to motion to see corded boat can survive alone please motion to see carries unanimously 25 in favor motion 3b now Samantha please the motion carries unanimously 25 in favor motion 3c Kosar Fillion pastor pastor act thank you the motion carries 24 to 1 on the item as amended 3d oh sorry yes 3d 3d recorded councillor Ford please and thank you motion 3d carries unanimously 25 in favor item as amended councillor perks please the item is amended carries 24 to 1 okay okay thank you okay so we’ll continue on page three e x eleven point two counts there holiday you held the item down twenty twenty rate support a budget for water and wastewater okay yeah okay questions to staff if you have

questions please put your name my proquest to questions staff councillor holiday thank you madam Speaker through you to I think the general manager and the team I wondered if you could confirm this budget here addresses a particular project that I’m interested that I’m interested and that’s the basement flooding protection program that’s within the the rate supported budget through three months means that’s correct basement flooding program is one of our key capital programs and we have funding in an order of magnitude of 2.1 billion over ten years for that program over ten years and so we have a process in the city to establish the area’s sequentially in through environmental assessments or summary assessments to implement this program and we’ve got some criteria that determines whether or not an area qualifies under the program could you just confirm what the christ’ some of the criteria is through through you madam Speaker yes we do have some criteria and we actually reference within our budget documents and some challenges that we’re facing one of the key issues we have with the basement flooding program is assessing projects moving on to the construction phase and in there we have council approve cap of $32,000 per benefiting household and we use that to determine what projects are eligible to move for further detailed design and at the construction phase is it fair to say the basement flooding protection program is a is a is a program designed to make improvements in areas where we’ve got flooding it’s it’s not meant to create infrastructure where there isn’t any or do some sort of a massive change you go through the assessments and you figure out where there are deficiencies and you implement a program to repair them that’s correct the way the program was set up and the way we complete our environmental assessments is that we’re comparing the level of service that’s provided in the community based on the existing infrastructure how how that infrastructure is performing that includes sanitary sewers as well as stormwater sewers and then we look for improvements raising that service level up to a new level that council has approved particularly with respect to storm water we can move up to 1 and 100-year storm oh if it meets that $32,000 per household test and so the concept with a $32,000 per household was a policy by council so that we could make sure that these these programs were following an optimal investment that is that we were we were making investments that would help a lot of people and that there would be a distribution of the those costs as opposed to spending a whole lot of money on just a couple of little houses it’s correct as well it was put in place because council knew that it was going to take us many years to complete environmental assessments as we moved out Ward by Ward and we didn’t want to have a situation where the early wards that had the early studies would use up all of the money we would we would go to those communities even if it was a newer EA if it was a quick hit project that helped a lot of people in the met that test it would move quicker along the construction process so I know we’ve talked about it but I’ve got an area called thorn crests in my ward that is like a few parts of the city it it has sort of grossly missing infrastructure there aren’t storm sewers there are some ditches a little bit of over land design but we’re in a situation where there’s some really fundamental issues in a large widespread area affecting a couple of hundred houses where the water flows from the street on to the private properties so you know in a situation like that is there any prospect of ever qualifying under the basement flood protection program under the current parameters it’s really men speaker the short answer would be no and that that is for several parts of the city so not just in your area we’ve seen that in a few other locations in addition to that we’re starting to do basement flooding analysis and parts of the city where that $32,000 cap doesn’t fit nicely because it fits nicely in more suburban type communities so as we move in the inner core it that that that test is is challenged and therefore in the basement flooding briefing note that you have all councillors have received we note on page seven that we are looking at coming forward with a report

in 2020 to put forward in council some additional lenses for us to look at so it’s fairer and equitable distribution of how we work on projects and is it fair to say that the staff nor council really have any intent to turn our back on areas to say well I’m sorry you didn’t qualify under the program and I can think of some of those conversations I’ve had with people so you’re at a lock do you think as a city we should be continuously improving and re-evaluating our policies and finding ways to fairly and equitably serve the people of Toronto and implement the missing infrastructure that was not built for some reason over time so so the answer is yes and in fact those deferred projects the one that didn’t meet the test the first time we don’t lose them we put them on a list and we have them on the list the intention is the pick up and raise that service level when we get into doing state of good repair funding in those communities which could be many years away so they are waiting for for a long time what we’re trying to do is look at how do we move those projects that we identify in new areas that that meet the test move them along faster at the same time we’re looking out many years and we want to make sure that we are feeding the program enough projects to match the funding envelopes we have so right now we’re okay but when we look out for a few years from now we we may start having problems because of that cap and that is the very reason we want to report back in 2020 with some suggestions and modifications to that program so is this a path forward for perhaps my thorn Crest area in my ward to try to find a pathway forward to try to get the infrastructure that they desperately need to try to deal with the basement flooding issues recognizing the current program that we’ve got has got some some some some controls in place from policies from the council that doesn’t let it go forward theory – speaker it would definitely be an area that we would describe and review in in the analysis to say here’s one of the challenges one of the issues that we face where there is no storm sewers how do we do that test of a service level change when none exists and and so what we’re looking at is that as well as other areas in the city so it will be a multi-pronged approach that we would come forward with thank you like I let you go way too long sorry I was busy talking counsel counter sir Kara so so just a quick question in following on councillor holidays evaluation which is very thorough in six minutes so so you you can find the criteria you can find the list of flooding you can even match that financial measure but part of the reason we’re leaving it up to you to reevaluate and build a capital plan every year is also because that risk factor can change depending on other works in the areas that not still the case that’s true so one of the things that council has also authorized this if we find that we could coordinate with other works for example or if we could secure funding like we did with the federal disaster mitigation assistance money program that we would accelerate those projects even though they don’t meet that 32k cap it makes sense to do that so we still applying that lens but what we’re looking at doing is there’s parts of the city for example where we may have a lot of condominium towers so how do we how do we assess the per benefiting household now when it’s one plot of land yet a thousand people live in it so we need to come up with with different ways of assessing you know including a project into the basement flooding project as we find different anomalies throughout the city so it’s more about strengthening and giving greater options while not taking away the 32 we would maintain that we may raise that as we do a CPI increase so a lot of different things we want to look at and bring to council multiple criteria as we find these issues popping up throughout the city but even then sitting in our political offices we’re not gonna be able to say I did my math I checked the math on my neighborhoods you must do this next at the end of the day there’s still the the overlay of infrastructure coordination that we can’t predict you can only you can only tell us about it when we get to that capital season that’s correct right we’ll have enhanced criteria but we will still need to give you the discretion to know when you’re getting the biggest bang for our buck in in flooding mitigation that’s correct and we would do that through the annual capital coordination process right we still may accelerate a project even though we might identified it in the five-year basement flooding briefing notice coming in year four if there is a road a road reconstruction job or a transit job occurring we may be able to pull that forward a couple years and we would do

that so we still retain that right and that’s why we give you the five-year plan and updated annually that would still occur we’re just looking for different tests and measures and we want to bring them to Council and get you to prove them as a policy okay thank you thanks matter to you thank you are there any further questions councillor Holliday to speak thanks madam Speaker I have a motion if I could ask the clerk staff to put that on the other screen it’s long but it is really just a request for report because it’s linked to the budget it’s something that I worked very hard with staff to develop and it asked to come forward I’m going to just paraphrase it to say that it it talks about ways to address areas like the thorn Crest Village that do not and will not fit the parameters of the basement flooding protection project program sorry but yet there are strong merits to proceed there was ongoing flooding there’s movement of water from the right-of-way into some of the properties multi-million dollar works that need to be done and if you go back in time you realize the history of this area was never built with the infrastructure that was required and speaking to the general manager think of places like Hogg’s hollow in other parts of the city that are a little bit unique and different so I I’m between a rock and a hard place trying to serve the constituents in my community in helping basement flooding protection projects move along but in the case of this there’s been an enormous amount of design work and we got to the stage of evaluating the cost prevent benefiting home and it just it could not work but that but it’s important to recognize as a city we can’t just turn our back on that neighborhood we may need to reevaluate our policies so this asks the general manager to come forward with a report on other ways to deal with these places and I cited just one example of a neighborhood is not all about Ward 2 it’s about other parts of the city that are experiencing the same issues around the design of the program and I hope you’ll support that because I think many members of council have run into similar issues and as a council we need to make sure that we have a built out city that we have access to services that people’s basements aren’t getting flooded that the streets aren’t getting flooded and properties aren’t getting flooded but recognizing these are significant capital works and they are part of the fabric of the city that we ultimately are responsible for delivering and so I hope you support that and I look forward to the report from the general manager when that comes around for us to take a closer look at ok Thank You councillor Holliday speaker none zyada yes thank you yes I do have a motion I’m gonna stop I’m gonna search your time over again yeah I’m not gonna speak for five minutes okay that City Council requested general manager Toronto water to start communicating with the public about the projects being funded from the water rate increases and to also provide councils with a list of these projects and their respective wards the reason I’m moving that is that when we started the water increase rates and when David Miller was mayor we you know told the pilot the public the reason why we were increasing the water rates for doing all these projects throughout the city and that rate was phased phased in but what’s frustrating for residents is that when we every year when we do increase their water rates and I know why we’re increasing it because we have so many projects that we’re funding through basement flooding is that it’s not communicated to the to the residents if they understand that the reason for the water increases because we are doing this millions and millions dollars of infrastructure in your area to prevent basement flooding that they would understand that that it’s actually going to projects and so I think it’s really important that we start communicating and do that and this you know at least and even with a list to the councillor so we know in fact what projects are being funded through the water rate increase it’s important to me and I’m sure other members of council would like that communicated to their residents as well so I’m this is my motion I hope I can count on councillors to support it thank you Thank You councillor Mazetti

are you coming right back okay great councillor Carroll it’s kind of as if we were playing tennis madam Speaker I I think here your motion you probably crafted yesterday about an hour before mayor Tory had what can only be called a purely Margaret Thatcher moment mera Torre was festooned in hardhat and reflective vests to kick off the the Coxwell tunnel project that is a humongous price tag and I hope that every Torontonian saw it what I don’t think he gave enough lip service to is the fact that because we leave it to Toronto water to coordinate their capital to work with it engineering and construction services and to prioritize around these very important issues the issue of collapsing infrastructure which would be the case if we didn’t proceed with Coxwell back when we first did which would be the case if we weren’t upgrading in the basement flooding mitigation program but the fact that we let them calendar eyes and coordinate it is why we’re doing as well as we’re doing and it’s why this is a this is a part of our city’s operation that does the most work almost but without debt we don’t see a huge slew of motions when we pass the water budget saying ask the provinces ask the federal government that again and again and again we do apply those other government funds to their projects but by and large we charge the rates we do because this is not a service that we can afford to wing it with it really has to be almost pay-as-you-go and in partnership with other orders of government because it is so crucial it is the lifeblood of the city that water coming out of the tap clean a basement being dry people being able to count on the the water being where it should be and not where it should not be and so all I can say is that while councillor Holliday may be looking for more detail than we’ve already just heard from the director of water services we’re going to get in 2020 anyway we’re gonna get some of the new criteria around around the basement flooding mitigation program and it makes sense that we should need it by now over a decade has passed since we began this type of program and so much study has gone on and some of the work having been implemented we can’t afford to re-examine the criteria they use to prioritize and we can communicate better I support that motion and I support both what I what I would not like to see is this beginning to step into the prioritization because this is one of those areas where we have to we have to admit how we choose to do water services particularly in the capital side cannot have a political lens on it it really has to be allowed to be coordinated calendar eyes by the experts underground infrastructure is the most complicated of them all and we know that if we’re not wearing that tin ring we have no business deciding what the priorities are thank you madam Speaker thank thank you counts there cropper to speak thank you madam sure this is we are now speaking about the beginning of the budget process for 2020 we’re dealing we’re now of course with the three rate based budgets at Toronto water solid waste and we actually did show no parking authority earlier and a lot of times I think we sometimes have a feeling that these budgets seem to be going through the process fairly quickly it’s not a lot of debate not a lot of questions a few questions today but we generally allow these budgets to go through reasonably quickly now that doesn’t suggest that they are not important budgets when you’re looking at between the three and we’re spending over a billion dollars this year alone between Toronto water and solid waste on improvements across the city so there is a long process staff work incredibly hard I want to thank of course Lou and his entire team for the work that they done at the Dillard since that they have done in all year to bring this budget to us and it’s a phenomenal budget I just want to give you some just some data just so you understand the breadth and how big the water department is in the city they supply over 3.6 million residents and businesses which supply 435 billion liters of safe drinking water in this budget we’re proposing a modest 3%

increase but at the same time looking at some key investments similar to well 660 million dollars in infrastructure and state of good repair backlog in this budget funding important initiatives as we mentioned a hundred and thirty three million dollars of basement flooding 2.1 billion dollars as Lou mentioned over ten years seventy eight million dollars a little over seventy eight million dollars which you’ll make sure we stop dumping sewage into Lake Ontario and part of this budget we’re beginning to look at a new organ organics processing facility twelve years later so a lot of work and a lot of important work is being done and when when our residents when you see that work and it’s sometimes frustrating when you seeing the work on our streets trying to be able to get through especially when you’re looking at winter time and all that but understanding that they’re doing incredibly important work across the city and this this this budget is a good news story we’re making the proper long-term investments to make sure that the water infrastructure is well maintained and up to a date but understanding many many years ago and a council Annunziata mentioned that in the Miller administration we had a challenge we had a challenge that the infrastructure was not keeping up to where it needed to be for the city and we made a difficult decision as a council or not me but the Council of the time to look at increasing the water rates nine percent over nine years and I was part of that for a few of the years when I was a council a number of years ago and it was a challenge but we maintained that we needed to replace the infrastructure across the city and I think our residents understood that now we have to do better with communicating as a speaker Annunziata has mentioned and I’ll support that but we have been able to get through that we are now at a point we had a number of five-year five percent increases we’re now at three percent and 3% continuing into the future and that 3% as modest as it is will enable us to continue with the right kind of investments that we need to continue with the important waterfront of water infrastructure all across the city which is good wasn’t easy to begin with but I think we’re now in a strong position with regard to our water budget I want to think of can of course Lew and his entire team for working incredibly hard over the year and I do support this wholeheartedly thank you Thank You councillor call to speak yes I want to support councillor none Giada’s motion because I think this is a very let say inadequate area and that is the area of communication I’d like to know before a construction project whether it be water whether it be bridge reconstruction a road reconstruction and sidewalk we I’m not getting advanced notice so I get calls from people saying what are all these trucks doing on my street drinking up the street digging up the park I’d like to get that so I can share that information to my constituents we are not getting that then trying to get a hold of itemized list of the water projects the street improvements in my ward so I can let people know here’s what was done this year here’s what’s underway I can’t seem to get that information my staff has been working on that for the last two weeks and it’s like you know trying to find the Holy Grail they’re trying to get that basic information and so here we are a staff at City Hall experienced councils members and we can’t get a queue Majan the ordinary person trying to find out what the city is doing on their street how they go about getting that information they can’t so they get frustrated they say you know why wasn’t I told I could have you know made different arrangements to get up and down my street we need to get that information easily to the public through the council office right now we’re doing a poor job of that and let’s let them know what’s going on with these major investments that we made in our infrastructure and that’s something that is critically important to do and it’s not being done adequately right now Thank You councillor Fletcher yes speaker I just wanna make a few comments because this is without a doubt one of the largest and most transformational capital projects that we have going in the city and I know we talked about transit and we’re building tunnels and we’re building housing but we are cleaning our waterways with this large system that we’re building and I think since I’ve been here we’ve taught and particularly in parts of the city that don’t have separated sewers we have a combined sewer overflow problem in a big rain all of that combined sewage

flows into the river flows into the lake and often flows into many basements in basement flooding areas and we’ve identified where they are in the City of Toronto so this is a massive project associated with our main sewage treatment plant and all of you who flush your toilet anywhere outside of North Toronto or at Scarborough then we welcome all of your water all of your sewage to this huge piece of infrastructure it is massive I also know that I mean this is not just the tunnel this is the whole system these tunnels will be holding the water before it goes in to the river it will then be pumping that back out it will be clean the outfall is being built so far out into the lake right at the moment this has been I don’t know I might say a 10 or 15 year project and we’re here at the culmination it’s pretty exciting for those who are wearing whether you’re wearing an iron ring or a tin ring or a gold ring it’s a massive project and an important import Gordan investment in clean water where we truly expect to turn on our taps we truly expect to have clean water and it’s part of our wet weather flow master plan so thank you very much for all of those people who have CSO combined in their basements this is a big step forward I also just want to take a second to just talk about this is some what’s a huge it’s a huge project it’s a big capital works and as well as putting in the tunnels the soil from building this or digging this is going out to create islands as part of new tommy Thompson Park this is not just one little tunnel this is a huge master plan for the watershed and in building new and exciting infrastructure at the main sewage treatment plant I also want to congratulate our general manager of Toronto water because of all of the gases that they’re creating as they’re treating that sewage they are almost using reusing up to 70% in order to run the sewage treatment plant that my friends is incredible that is a very big part of our pro climate plan reusing the methane reusing the gases that are created in that treatment system to run run the sewage treatment plant I I find those things pretty exciting I think mr. Dee Geronimo finds them excite you might not all find that really exciting but congratulations to everyone that’s brought it this far it’s all moving forward as one big piece and I look forward to the day when there is no CSO in the river in the lake and in the basements and these don’t thank you counter care Janice oh you took it off okay okay so we’re voting ring the bells motion one on favor carried do we did do we need a recorded vote or what nobody okay on favor Carrie motion to favor carried item as amended recorded vote Castro Fillion please the item as amended carries unanimously 23 in favor okay our next item is on

page 3 IX 11.3 2020 rate support a budget solid waste management services account so late new healthy item down do we have questions to staff counsel late and your questions just ask a question and it may be kind of an open-ended what did you explain to us how we arrived at a situation where we’re removing the entire subsidy from medium bins this year and half this the rebate sorry for for medium bins and half the rebate for the small bins and just explain to us the progression that brought us here through you madam chair to the counselor last year a council Council decided and provided staff with the policy direction on phasing out the rebates on the remaining bins that currently had rebates so the small bin would be phased out over three years and the median bin would be phased out over two years this is year two of that plan so the medium bin is being phased out this year with a third of the rebate remaining on the small which will be phased out in next year’s budget in 2021 thank you the rebate is not part of this budget the rebate is mentioned in this budget document I like I don’t see how it can possibly be a question to our staff about how they arrived at the rate without me asking about something that’s listed in the budget I’m not making a motion it was ruled out of order at the budget committee just to get more information and I’m asking about how we’re arriving at this particular rate I take issue with the fact that the budget chief just snuck over and whispered into your ear you should roll that out of order I take particular interest in that no I am speaker first of all counselor I was asking a basic question about how we arrived at the red trying to give some clarity not trying to change it or remove it and yet you had the rule just that question out of order after you were whispered in the ear by the budget chief please counsel Layton please I I asked the budget chief to come over because he was talking to me I couldn’t hear him and I did not rule your question out of order I reminded you that this is not part of what’s before it is directly contributing to the cost and fee of the counselee in this budget hey Cal soon a new tax related to it okay it is directly related to the chaos that it actually will be for yes it is yep mr mayor okay point point aboard or I put your time on hold council a point of order counts to Crawford thank you madam Speaker I actually came up to you because you were looking at me and you’re on budget and this item actually came up a budget I was very clear from recommendations from the clerk’s on this particular item it’s a challenge every year it’s a challenge when we go through this rate base because part of it sits in the operating budget I’d love to be able to combine the two but we can’t unfortunately we can’t even though it may have been mentioned we’re dealing with dollars in the operating budget and it is unfortunately out of order I didn’t want to have to rule it out of order but I did because it was it was ruled out of order how’s your parents pleased hence why I just I had to get up and speak with the speaker on this particular item as I said I’d love to once this rebate system is gone in a couple of years we’re not gonna have this challenge but until that happens we’re gonna have the same challenge it happened last year it happened the year before and it’s happening again right now okay counts the deputy mayor min and walk I did I do believe counselor counselor Layton said that the budget chief snuck over to you now I don’t know how someone sneaks over into the chamber but if he did say snuck over I think you should apologize that’s a pejorative term and it it’s disrespectful of the councilor I’ll replace the word snuck with walked to whisper in your ear Wow here we’re talking about whispering in to the speaker’s here sneaking over like this is really exciting okay all right let’s move on councillor Carroll yes as long as it’s not with the rebate okay counselor that’s I’m sorry that’s not what that that’s not what you said I can’t answer Leighton if you want to ask questions on what’s before us but not what is contributing to the increase in the small bin fee that people will see on their solid waste management bill yep through you madam chair to the councillor the increase in the small bin

fee on the solid waste management side is linked mainly to inflation of two and a half percent and what people will receive on their bill at the end of the day is going up above the inflationary rate because okay counselor you’re going I told you we’re not talking about the rebate on the feds please I am just asking because when they or when people open their solid waste bills they’re going to see an increase and I’m trying to desperately explain and justify why that will be the case I calculate and I’m ruling you at a border calcio Carol so I’m wondering if the general manager of solid waste could review for me because I’m having trouble finding it on the portal now what are the percentage increases of the bin rates for 2020 a small medium large and extra-large a through you madam chair to the councillor the the rate increase on Albans this year for the solid waste management fee is 2.5 percent and in the in the rather provocative media releases for for the the launch of the budget the media zeroed in on what is a multi-year program and by the end of the multi-year rollout pardon the pun what will the percentage increases be when we get to the final rate of this rollout of the small and medium sized bins so through you madam chair to the counselor the solid waste fee will increase two and a half percent this year and its projected to go up approximately 2.75 percent to 3 percent next year depending on councils direction next year on the solid waste management fee and once you once you factor in the amount being added to those fees which I which which includes the dollar some I’m not allowed to name then what does the real term increase amount to for the customer the medium-sized and small size bins so through you madam chair to the councillor the the fee the solid waste management fee that solid waste charges for its services will go up two and a half percent this year and approximately two and a half to three percent next year depending on council direction that is what our solid waste management fee is without any discussion around the rebate as that isn’t operating well I don’t want to discuss it I’m just asking what it on a percentage basis what is the dollar increase on the solid and the medium bin all in what is the dollar in council yep councillor Carol again councillor Carol I ruled up with councillor Layton Mara Tory well madam Speaker I understand why we’re having this miss centers yeah because we will have a chance to discuss all of this at the time the operating budget is under discussion and the the you know on television in one of those court cases you’d call it badgering the witness they’ve event he’s answered the question three times now and said it’s 2.5 percent maybe 2.75 percent next year that is all he’s able to answer as it respects the solid waste budget which is what’s on the floor the operating budget of the city is not on the floor today it will be on the floor in the new year and that’s the time when we can have the discussion that people want to have a vote but the impact on the bin rates because today he can’t answer that question because he doesn’t know what is going to happen in the operating discussion that’s why it’s not on the floor today and it really supports the point counselor Crawford was making about these being two separate budgets for better or for worse that’s what they are okay counselor madam speaker when the mayor takes the floor do I question the mayor cap councillor Carroll the mayor the mayor got up on a point of order so all right I thought I’ve ruled on councillor Layton please and I use the rest of my time yes your time is if if there is an impact on the consumer if there is an impact on the consumer over and above what we’re discussing today when will we be able to address that that impact will we still will we have the ability to address that impact using what are not property taxes but fees here will we have that ability in February of 2020 when we’re in this chamber on the operating budget a through you madam chair the councillor I can’t comment on the operating budget process the fees set today through the budget will direct the rate structure that will be charged for 2020 based on the fees that are currently in the budget and in the report before you okay so in February if we want to have any impact on the impact

of the consumer the only way we would be able to do it is using a property tax solution I will not be able to use a consumption rate solution through you madam chair to the councilor I can’t speak to the mechanisms on the operating budget and I can’t speak to revisiting the solid waste management budget in February on different rates that could be charged at that time okay well that’s funny because neither can you councillor McKelvey thank you madam chair my question is when will they see the rate increase on their bill will that be effective january immediately when will they see that through you madam chair the bill will be adjusted the rates will be adjusted January 1st and they will be on the residents subsequent bills throws a year okay thank you thank you counts their blatant did you want to speak okay I have a motion if it could be put on the screen and that’s the City Council requests the general manager solid waste management services to report back as part of the 2021 budget process on the impact of fees and diversion rates and source separation this this was never supposed to get this heated even even at committee Mike what my questions were about defending the staff position which I have supported in council which I have supported in Council several times now that the full cost of solid waste services should be reflected in our bills I have been supportive of that phasing out this the the the policy with which cannot be named phasing that out will will have an impact on what people see in their bill but it doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing it doesn’t it doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing and if you look there was a lot of misunderstanding when the budget was published and first communicated out about what the costs of bills were because it was reported that we were removing the policy that cannot be named from small bins when I went out to the defense when I went went out to the defense of this of the city’s policy to say no we’ve already phased it out of extra large bins large bins were all the way on medium bins and and small bins were the last ones to get taken off because we wanted to encourage people to continue to recycle and to source separate mr. mayor I was I was backing you up I was trying to address the misconceptions that were out there about this policy I even when I saw some of my colleagues speak out about it I raised it with them to explain it I was only trying to explain it I wasn’t trying to start a fight here at Council with my good friend when my good friend mr. Crawford a budget chief Crawford I certainly was not what I suggested at committee and it’s because it’s the only way that I knew how to get to this point was for staff to provide a briefing note to counsel about the impacts of the changing fees or anticipated impacts on diversion rates because we know we want to continue achieving a high rate of diversion it was ruled out of over order then it we got into it a little bit of committee it got resolved and so I’ve come up with this motion that I think crafts it in a different way and doesn’t try to change the rates this year there is still an incentive on the small bin this year small one but still there and look to see and it may not be the case it actually may be and in having some conversations with our solid waitstaff the opposite may be true that the financial incentive that we’re giving small bins may in fact negatively contribute to source separation that might be the case and if that is then then I’m going to work as hard as I can to make sure that whatever rate structure we have we’re encouraging source separation so I’m sorry if if the line of questioning was changing the messaging around this that was not the intent I won’t mention the policy that shall not be named there’s no point mentioning it in the actual operating budget part because this issue will be resolved by my motion I hope you’ll support what it’s actually trying to do is just make sure we’re using pricing as a function of encouraging source separation and I’d apologize for any and any heat we brought into the chamber as we’re about to retire to have a more joyful opportunity with one another to exchange our season’s blessings Callister holiday you have a question

clarification of the motion I do thank you madam Speaker and I wondered through you to councillor Layton if he would find it amenable to broaden the look of his suggested the the examination of the suggested report to look at it in the reverse in that raising prices drives people to lower bin sizes smaller bin sizes and also drives behavior such as illegal dumping and contaminating the blue bin on purpose so he’s through you councillor Layton is looking at it from one way and I wondered if if he would consider as part of the report as a reasonable amendment that we look at the other side is is you know raising these prices does that have an effect on behavior of citizens and some obnoxious behaviors I’ve had that that precise conversation and not so many words with the general manager of solid waste they’re already looking at that and yes I would encourage that to be included in the report Hey Thank You councillor Matt love to speak well there’s not based on the speaker’s ruling there’s not a lot that they can say with respect to what I would have liked to say except I’ll begin with the council aid and I have not seen eye to eye on every aspect of this item but there is no one who has been more articulate and caring about defending the position that counsel I believe is going to take then counts relating I believe every word that he just said behind me I fundamentally disagree with the approach to see rates go up because of the things that cannot be named on the small bins at the pace that they will go up I would far rather see more transitional approach which sees the rates on the larger bins go up the smaller bins stay static and then incent more households to choose less waste and go to the small bins and they have greater enforcement on the households that currently have small bins with respect to them dumping their garbage into the recycling bins I think that is a better approach because the uptake I understand on the small bins is only roughly 2% a year transitioning from the larger bins to the small business I’d like to see a far bigger transition where people choose less waste find out in it by the way I went through the same transition we used to have a medium-sized bin and you know as a family we couldn’t imagine going to a small bin it only holds essentially the size of one large a black bag but we did we got there the price was helpful and guess what we figured it out we figured it out and we do it more people can do it sometimes it’s the environmental cause that helps them arrive but sometimes it is the savings it often is the savings that’s why the the five cent on the the plastic bag sorry with all due respect Michael it actually worked until it was thrown out so I’ve struggled to figure out how to like what to do with this Multi multi multi-million dollar thing that we can’t describe today and how to offset it and I don’t have an answer today and that’s why I don’t have a motion but I’m going to be voting against going forward with higher rates in the small bins they don’t think it’s good public policy I think I really think we need to rethink and I hope given councillor Layton’s motion that there’ll be an opportunity for their rethink but I can’t I can’t support moving forward with the policy that I just fundamentally disagree with so just one second councillors so I find myself in the chair now because holiday your motion is not typed up it’s not ready councillor Layton hasn’t seen it so councillor Layton can’t tell us whether or not it will be a friendly amendment councillor Layton it does it doesn’t have to be acceptable it can simply be placed and we can proceed with the business of this meeting because I’m in the chair so I can’t put myself on the floor to speak unless anyone else has an intention to speak and was waiting for a dramatic moment this would be it councillor Crawford in a pinch Thank You councillor Crawford what would you like to say your deputy made her speaker Carroll first of all as I’ve said on the water these are the rate based budgets we sometimes don’t give them the recognition that they have as I said in

the last speech with the water but they’re incredibly important this is the nuts and bolts of this city people want to make sure that when they turn on their their taps they have water and when they put the garbage out at the side of the road or in the apartment that it gets picked up that’s the nuts and bolts of this particular budget and and the rate based budget overall I do want to clarify I don’t have the greatest of respect for my colleague councillor Layton and and we did have a bit of a dust-up in in in a in the budget process and this is not a new conversation it’s a frustrating conversation for all of us because we’re dealing with two different budgets and I respect where the manager of solid waste is coming from because at the end of the day he is going to be made whole whether it’s through them the money that he needs to run his division is he’s going to get that money it’s gonna be primarily through rates but there’s another component that is on the operating side and unfortunately he’s fine I mean so it doesn’t matter where that money is he will be fine with Ruth or two and a half percent that he’s required requested and we’re gonna prove to that but he will be fun but he cannot speak to that and unfortunately that’s the frustrating part of where we’re at right now as I said it will get resolved as we and again we’re looking at phasing out what we can’t talk about in the operating budget and that’s a decision that we have to make and I I’m hoping I got around that it’s well enough but we will make that decision and again I can’t presume when that decision is going to be going we all have thoughts about that and and as we heard in last year’s budget I think we’ll be moving to the next step on that but let me just provide some facts that are important when we’re looking at this particular budget and solid waste over 900,000 homes businesses institutions charities religious organization and schools city agencies and divisions are using of course this this division I do have to make a correction by the way I’m glad that council Carol mentioned that I mentioned about the organics processing facility is gonna happen 12 years sooner that’s on this budget not on the water budget so I just wanted to mention that but as budget share like all divisions like all great agencies that we deal with we’re always committed to finding efficiencies continuing key investments such as solid waste you know as I said you know there’s going to be a modest a two-and-a-half percent increase which is the rate of inflation which we have achieved with this we have achieved a little bit more than that on water but it’s important to realize that we are trying to manage this division as well as we can what I do have to mentioning is like it’s not part of this budget but what did come up as part of the the debate when we’re looking at the long term fiscal sustainability of solid waste and that’s not a discussion that we’ll be having this year but it’s something that we need to have on which is what do we do with Greenlee we’re okay right now but I think as we look into the future solid waste and the division is going to have to be bringing us some recommendations on really what we need to do with green lane for the future and how we manage eyes it’s not here but I just wanted council to know that as we did with water we had the nine percent over nine years I’m not suggesting it’s gonna be like that at all in fact but we may need to look at a program over a number of years to be able to ensure that you know garbage will be picked up every day and I think that’s a conversation that will be happening as I said next year but that’s is on the radar I want to thank of course solid waste all the people in that division who work incredibly hard you see it day in and day out when those garbage trucks are coming to pick up our garbage at the end of the street we see it when we get the telephone calls where sometimes they may have missed it or they may have missed recycling you put it out late they work incredibly hard I just want to thank everybody in that division for the work they do Thank You councillor Carroll to speak thank you madam Speaker so so way back in the late 50s when I was chair of works it feels like that we were driving every day to Michigan with all of our garbage we needed to get out it needs to buy a landfill we also knew that we must never again be caught short as we were when Kiel Valley landfill ran out and when Michigan said get the heck out of here and so along with buying Green Lane we started this utility and we have been going along and the people who need the biggest applause are our residents because they’ve had to go on this journey of turning solid waste into a consumption based cost recovery utility come what may and it started out with the most complex matrix because of the structure that we have in our taxes and that’s a reality but this thing that

we had that little dust-up about is really about cost recovery people are saying don’t worry this is cost recovery well it won’t be until we finish that every year though we have this tense moment where we discover that we can’t discuss such things as this year a small bin used to cost $99 and 71 cents next year it’s going to cost 185 dollars and 65 cents and on the floor of this council I can’t explain why but what I find sad is that months passed from the launch until February during which councilors are on their own in explaining that from $99 to a hundred and eighty five dollars for the bin that that we hope that people will be most encouraged to reduce their waste in but we can’t talk about it and the messaging is all up to us from from October when they first hear of it and the media makes much ballyhoo about it until February when we finally adopt a notion and by the time we are having a conversation we can’t do anything about it that is not a situation that can continue luckily we’re near the end of that that shall be left unsaid today we’re near the end of it we only have a couple more years to do it but we’re doing a disservice to the very people that took a leap of faith with us to move from paying for their prop their their garbage through their property tax to this consumption based cost recovery mode and we’re not fairly communicating with them I find that very very sad thank you madam Speaker do we have any further speakers okay so we have the motion one by councillor Layton revised to a friendly amendment that’s underlined it’s on the screen okay on favor recorded the amendment carries unanimously 24 in favor item is amended Oh favor recorded the item is amended carries the vote is 21 to 3 page 3 e^x 11.5 Toronto public art strategy counts to Crawford you held the item down you have questions of stuff just to speak to you ok just beat counts to Crawford does anybody have any questions to staff no ok cancer Crawford to speak thank you madam Speaker it’s wonderfully number one fully endorsed this report and it’s the staff who did an incredible amount of work over the last year or a couple of years to pull this together and I want to recognize a key person who really worked behind the scenes actually on the private sector side not on the beer bureaucracy side with Sarah diamond who is the president of OCAD who pulled together a dream team of arts innovators to really look at how do we move forward on a strategic public art strategy for the City of Toronto and what the strategy really says is that cities need to rethink the public art as an integral part of a healthy City we sometimes don’t really realize how important public art is we see it it is there sometimes we see it sometimes who don’t see it sometimes public art hits the front pages of the newspaper because it’s a little controversial but it’s an incredibly important integral part of a healthy City this particular public art

strategy there’s a five key components to that number one it’s about renewing our commitment for public art in Toronto so but we’re redefining public art making it inclusive and everywhere in the city not just downtown not just in front of developments across the city and it said making it everywhere in underrepresented areas and we want to simplify the process it’s a very complicated process there’s a number of different components to that across the city so we’re gonna be looking at creating a single public art office our office sorry and of course partnerships looking at robust funding on how do we fund this particular thing well what is it this is a key strategy when we’re moving forward and the mayor had announced a couple of months ago the year of public art that we’re going to be celebrating in 2021 this is the anchor and a key component of that celebration we couldn’t have the celebration if it wasn’t for this public art strategy and of course it’s going to be focusing on three cornerstones which is creativity monuments and pop-ups permanent and all across the city and galvanizing and rejuvenating committee or communities and again as I said making sure it’s accessible to all and a big component of this public art strategy which is I think on the first page if you had an opportunity to read the report is about our commitment to truth and reconciliation with indigenous communities and championing the work of indigenous artists and you’ll see that as we get into the formation of the year of public art how incredibly important the indigenous artists in this city across the country and internationally prominent so I just want to thank again staff with economic development and culture who did an incredibly strong job on this and I fully endorse and support this report thank you on the item on favor recorded the item carries unanimously 21 in favor thank you my next item is on page 3 e X 11.10 2018 Office of Emergency Management update count so long Tim you held the item down do you have questions of stuff yes I do ma’am speaker ok ok thank you very much with respect to the the quantum that’s outlined in the report over 3.1 million dollars in counting that represents how much money the City of Toronto has already spent to procure emergency services for the displaced residents of 650 Parliament is that correct madam speaker that’s correct and and what does 3.1 million dollars and Counting what did that get us madam speaker that was the the city’s incurred costs that resulted or that were the result of the emergency social services that were implemented as a result of the displacement post a catastrophic fire at 650 and so that covers a period from when the fires began in August 2000 18 I believe until October 2018 but does that count does that take in account hotel rooms perhaps rental subsidies meals what did that include it doesn’t include clothing what did we end up giving these tenants madam Speaker that is the that is a net quantum of the invoice services that we acquired from the Canadian Red Cross and includes examples you gave I would say accurate counselor or are there any other examples that that that that invoice would have included that wasn’t it wasn’t a part of my comments not metaphor not to my knowledge and with respect to those tenants who are still out of their homes they like we’ve just hosted their second Christmas party to be quite honest in the local community so they’re they’ve now been out of their homes for over a year there’s no defined re-entry date to go back home are we still paying for any additional services to keep the the residents safe and with a roof over their heads is there any more City cost that that we’re bearing right now madam Speaker not not to my knowledge no okay my my next question is to the city solicitor when can we anticipate that the City of Toronto will recover that three point one five five million dollars from the the landlord and property owner of 650 Parliament madam

speaker that’s very difficult to say the city has been in negotiations with the landlord and has met with the landlord’s lawyer as well there have been communications back and forth and we are currently awaiting a response promised this month when when did we initiate this does this cost recovery how many months have we been asking for our money back madam speaker off the top of my head I don’t know but but it’s been many months this money is owed to the Canadian Red Cross is that correct these are the these are those services that the city has purchased to keep the residents safe and and and with a roof over their head out the amount claimed is the amount that the city procured from the Red Cross yes what happens if the landlord and property owner 650 Parliament does not give us back the almost 3.2 million dollars like do do we as taxpayers and the City Council just end up eating that cost there would be an avenue open to the city to procure legal proceedings I’ve reluctant to comment beyond that but I do believe that there’s a contract between the city and the Red Cross so either way the city is going to pay we’re we are gonna honor our invoice that’s that’s been submitted to us well certainly madam Speaker the city always honors its fine Commitments I can’t comment any further on other avenues available to the city to recover but there certainly are some haves the City of Toronto ever been in a situation where we’ve actually put forth these costs upfront and then we have to go off and recover them is this the first time we’re doing this this is the first situation I’m personally aware of although there may be some that predate to my position in in this role and with respect to the the amount of time and energy spent to recover the cost what is that what does that quantum amount to if we were if you were a private sector law firm you would be sending us a bill for billable hours to go recover this cost perhaps go through court proceedings to recover this cost how many hours have we already spent in trying to pursue the recovery of these legal of these emergency services to senior lawyers have been involved in this file I asked for an approximate number of hours and I’m told close to 5050 hours okay thank you very much thank you do we have any further questions on the item okay accounts a long time to speak yes thank you very much madam Speaker I’m just going to to move that we received this report but I did want to flag and highlight madam speaker the fact that the City of Toronto this is a great example of why we needed to strengthen our rents safe by law to ensure that when we take on mayor emergency cost to keep residents safe that we need to have a way to recover that cost as quickly as possible you’ve just heard from the city solicitor that they have two senior lawyers that have spent over 50 billable hours if they were working in the private sector to to try to recover that cost and and if you do a quick back of a napkin mathematics you’ll know we’re already into the tens of thousands of dollars in legal costs and probably heading into the hundreds of thousand dollars of market legal services to recover that cost by way of Demand let by way of asking and seeking meetings by way of waiting like literally months now and I know that they they began this these negotiations in the spring of 2019 so I would say that they’re probably very generous by saying it’s been 50 hours I suspect is probably or conservative that’s probably been more than that but madam Speaker this is a sizable amount of money and if we were to be taking on these type of costs on behalf of landlords and property owners and corporations and picking up their their environmental spills or perhaps any other emergency costs I think that we could all agree that by strengthening the bylaw which we did last month it was the right thing to do and we know that this cost is probably not gonna rape me remain stagnant at just three point one five five for ten million dollars we know that that cost is going to escalate and we know that we’re gonna be spending more staff time more legal service time to go recover a cost that will probably be ballooning out as we continue to fight this through I am NOT confident that we’re gonna get this money back quickly which is why I wanted to state this here because if we don’t recover the cost from from the landlord and

property owner by way of just receiving the payment as a response to our demand letter we are gonna have to go to court and if we have to go to court then there’s then it becomes a different proposition and much more expensive so for those who felt that the private sector was was put under undue hardship by being asked to to pay the city back for costs incurred on their behalf and their responsibilities I just want to remind counsel this is what happens when we let them off the hook or if we don’t have a policy or a program or a protocol that allows us to recapture that cost thank you very much and I just want to thank staff for all their hard work because I know it’s ongoing discussions thank you thank you on the item favor carried okay our next item is I think will be a quick item page 3e X 11-point 13 improving communication for Toronto Hydro projects counselor Fletcher you held the item down you have questions of staff it’s going to speak if that’s okay I have one motion okay and it is that this report gets forwarded to the Toronto Hydro Board so I want the board to see this report that City Council requests the general manager transportation services to work the CEO of Toronto Hydro to ensure that the municipal consent requirements are met because this is a brand new situation that we are basically having them required to do what others do when they’re using our right-of-way and that city council requests the GM transportation services to report annually to the IEC on any compliance issues that might have arisen so for any reason there’s a compliance problem and I will be moving a separate motion in January about another matter that has to do with review of development applications but the clerk has said I can’t move it here so I think that this has come out of the Ombudsman’s report which you may or may not remember the Ombudsman recommended that Toronto Hydro have much better communication with the residents with whom they’re working in order to establish all of the new hydro poles and that they should be replacing those poles as soon as the project is complete and a whole number of other things and so there’s been a protocol that’s been developed where Toronto Hydro will have to basically follow the guidelines that the city has for any work in the right-of-way with residents and I was going to say to report back annually on all of the read on all of the basically the consent requirements but I think it’s better if there’s compliance issues that get raised because the Ombudsman would be interested in that so that I just want to thank the Ombudsman for her work again here it was a very difficult project the project Carla and as well the transportation staff on coming up with what I think is very creative and a good compliance method for Toronto Hydro and while I’m on my feet it will also thank the transportation staff for their very quick work after a shooting on an illegal film a lot of shootings in Riverdale this week and in getting to deal with to make the lookout or Chester Hill a much safer place so I just want to personally thank Ms gray and her staff for that here Thank You speaker thank you okay on the motion we can put it on the screen okay on the amendment recorded vote councillor Laden please thank you the amendment carries unanimously 19 in favor item is amended on favor carried

ok so right now I will do quick releases councillor perks Thank You speaker on item CC 13.3 what page I’m just trying to find it right now it’s towards the end yes up page 11 age 11 and I’ll read the title of it when I find it which would be a second one 11 Pacific Avenue yes thank you so I have a motion hey lemon page 11 item CC 13 3 111 Pacific Avenue so with this motion I can do this item okay we did have advanced circulation on that yes okay on paper carried item is amended on paper carried counts their holiday thank you madam Speaker I’m gonna try to find it here page for IX 11.24 relocation of the Etobicoke Civic Center I hope this is a quick release if I could have the the motion on the screen it would be some additional requests of staff counsel Grimes has seen this certainly worked on it with staff I’ve asked for three things one is to see if we can protect the ability to have a community center here as planned in the next report in case that report is looking to delay this project in any way not saying it is but I’d like to build some ability there counselor Fletcher says it’s not quick it’s not I’m happy to hold it all right councilor baile yes madam Speaker on page 10 te 11.45 traffic control signals oh I can release that okay on page ten eleven point four five favor carried counselor call yes I’d like to in page eight if I can release NY eleven point four final reports zoning bylaw amendment application twenty five thirty five twenty five thirty seven baby having Ward fifteen okay on page eight and why 11.4 on paper carried and I’ve got another one okay on page seven pH 11.1 for committee of adjustment applications analysis and service improvements Awards I’d like to release that okay I’m page seven pH eleven point fourteen on favor carried councillor Ainsley Thank You Mountain speaker on page five GL ten point five City Hall council chamber modernization I’ve put forward a motion earlier I think I’ve addressed everybody’s concerns and moving it again okay so if we can put it on the screen that’s on page five GL ten point six on favor carried councillor Pasternak you have a motion to introduce the confirming bill yes I do madam Speaker that Lee be granted to introduce a bill to confirm to the point of introduction of this motion the Proceedings of City Council meeting thirteen on December 17th 2019 shall he be granted to introduce this bill recorded vote calculatin please thank you times thank you cows are perks motion introduced the confirming bill carries unanimously the vote is 23 in favor shall this bill be passed and declared as a bylaw recorded vote counselor want am thank you Celso perks counselor mellow please the motion to enact a confirming bylaw carries unanimously the vote is 23 in favor okay so we’re recessed to tomorrow 9:30

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