Nancy Gutierrez: Welcome everyone I am Nancy Gutierrez, President and CEO of The New York City Leadership Academy so thrilled to be here with you today And among two very special and critical leaders in our state Nancy Gutierrez: Our Commissioner Dr. Betty Rosa and our New York City Chancellor Richard Carranza Nancy Gutierrez: Today we’re going to talk about what back to school looks like for the country’s largest school district And we’re also going to look at a state context and I am excited to have Dr. Betty Rosa and Richard Carranza, join me at this time Nancy Gutierrez: Alright, so first of all, as they’re coming on I just, again, I want to thank you for being here I have to start by saying to well Dr. Rosa and to Richard Carranza that Nancy Gutierrez: Personally, huge honor to be here as a Latinx leader in education, you are two of my Nancy Gutierrez: heroes Heroes idols, and I know so many of us are just so proud of, of seeing your leadership and learning from you on a day to day basis So thank you for doing what you do Nancy Gutierrez: There’s so much in all of our minds right now about Nancy Gutierrez: What back to school looks like in other places of our country, you know, we, the leadership academy We work across 36 states and in some of those states We’ve already started school Nancy Gutierrez: We’ve already tried to, you know, and re enter the space So the big themes What’s top of mind for everyone Right now, health and safety Nancy Gutierrez: Leading for equity and the virtual classroom So those are the three things that we will talk about today as we engage in this conversation So we can stop the PowerPoint and Nancy Gutierrez: Before we jump into context And before we jump into really thinking about Nancy Gutierrez: What back to school Looks like I just want to say as a leader This is probably one of the most adaptive challenges you’ve ever faced in your career Nancy Gutierrez: And just wondering Before we jump into the technicality How are you thinking about this or experiencing it personally You know, as, as people and as leaders How are you doing, Richard Carranza : Wow Richard Carranza : First Betty Rosa: Sure Thank you Um, I think that schools We know even before you get to this point have faced an unprecedented Betty Rosa: Challenge as as they ended the school year, let alone as they begin to think about 2021 Betty Rosa: For all of us are paramount concern is to ensure the health and safety of everyone in our schools children as well as adults alike Betty Rosa: You know, at the same time, we know that this is a complex The when we look at the situation This is a complex challenge Betty Rosa: Because of the fact that going back to the spring with lost so many Betty Rosa: Opportunities have lost in terms of in person instruction Betty Rosa: And addressing students social emotional needs and and in the wake of this catastrophe We’re trying to ensure that students have the ability Betty Rosa: To participate in equitable learning and ensuring that students have the support systems in place at the same time, it is so challenging across the board from the state perspective I’m dealing with rural, urban urban, suburban and all kinds of Richard Carranza : Challenges Betty Rosa: Across the entire state So we are in a time that is beyond challenging We are at a time That is really Betty Rosa: I would almost say most of us in leadership are not sleeping We have a lot of issues that are keeping us up at night, and at the same time, it’s the pain that we carry, and yet at the end of the day, the human connectedness is really Betty Rosa: In many ways is an issue that we’re also grappling with as well So from a perspective, it’s all the different communities all the different the bands It’s the issue of the budgetary cuts the investment, the lack of Betty Rosa: The fact that we have so many issues outside of even our educational space right impact on our educational space, right Nancy Gutierrez: Well, well, thank you And by the way, congratulations I think this is week one for you as as our New York State, Commissioner, and you know you’re moving from being the chancellor of our Board of Regents into this role and a very critical time So congratulations on behalf of all of us Betty Rosa: Thank you Nancy Gutierrez: Of course, and as we transition to hear how you’re doing Chester got on So we do want to just make sure that all of you know that the Q AMP A is open, so feel free, free to

Nancy Gutierrez: You know, to add questions as we go And we’ll do our best to to take those questions So how, how are you doing, you know, this is a really heavy time for all of us as a leader and dealing with Nancy Gutierrez: A major adaptive challenge that I’m sure as you were there for hurricane Harvey to and Houston So I know you’ve done it before, but there there can’t be anything like this moment right now Richard Carranza : We’re going to thank you for allowing me to be in the presence of our Commissioner Richard Carranza : Dr. Ross and for having me share a few thoughts with you here today Look, none of us prepared for this None of us went to school None of us got our advanced degrees in pandemic response Richard Carranza : So for all of us This is new And I think for all of us as system leaders People want definitive answers They want to know the who, what, when, and where Richard Carranza : And they want to know what is going to happen And can you guarantee me I’ve heard that a lot Can you guarantee me know we can’t get to anything Richard Carranza : Because we don’t know how this virus is going to more than what’s going to happen in music in a resurface and Richard Carranza : You know, so, so I think that level of uncertainty really wreaks havoc with the psyche of of people And let’s be really clear We all have experienced trauma Richard Carranza : I think what Betty was talking about in terms of, you know, we don’t sleep much upset you know we carry that with us and we leave because people need to say that we are leading and that we are Richard Carranza : Being very thoughtful about what we’re doing in terms of going forward to try to keep people safe But make no mistake, we are undergoing three pendants of viral pandemic called kogut 19 Richard Carranza : Economic pandemic, which is decimating all of our financial budgets and the third is a racial pandemic, where the country and the world is coming to grips Now with our very difficult past in terms of racial relations, all of that Richard Carranza : Forms this perfect storm Richard Carranza : Of trauma So for us, for me, I’m just trying to stay centered in terms of who I am, what I believe in what my values are and and lead the best I can Knowing that no one has all the answers Nancy Gutierrez: Right Well, thank you so much, both of you for your vulnerability and honesty now Nancy Gutierrez: Let’s start let’s let’s dig a little bit there Tell us what we need to know right everyone’s curious, what does reopening look like Nancy Gutierrez: In you know in the in the country’s largest district Right What are the things we need to know and understand And then what does it look like at the state level with Nancy Gutierrez: So many more districts and as you were talking about our process so many different sizes and shapes and a variety of different, but let’s start with the country’s largest district What do we need to know about reopening schools in New York City Richard Carranza : Well, I think the first thing is that if you see what’s happening across the country where school districts have opened, and then we have cases in the clothes and it’s been not only K 12 systems, but also Richard Carranza : Higher education What is different about New York City And let me give you some context in March on New York City was the epicenter of the epicenter in America of covert 19 community spread Richard Carranza : But because I’m very proud of my fellow New Yorkers because we didn’t politicize the worrying of masks We wear masks, because we stayed in when we were asked to stay in the social distance Richard Carranza : We washed our hands We took we we we did everything the medical experts said we are now under 1% in terms of positive cases over a seven day period 1% under 1% Richard Carranza : So of the 10 largest school systems in America, and I speak to my colleagues, all the time Richard Carranza : We’re the only one that is even in a position to consider in person learning because our community spread is so low that sets us apart from what those images are that people see on TV Richard Carranza : Now can I guarantee there won’t be any infections Of course, I can’t Richard Carranza : But you know it’s it’s until we have the virus under control In terms of vaccine Nobody can guarantee that But we have a fighting chance of New York City Richard Carranza : To bring back our students at least some portion of the week can in person learning Richard Carranza : And that for us We know that this pandemic has affected communities of color in New York City in particular Richard Carranza : Disproportionately they’ve had a disproportionate impact in terms of death and sickness and we know that for many of our children They need that social emotional wraparound support trauma informed pedagogy Richard Carranza : They need to have a loving teacher who knows their name, who is going to not only teach them Richard Carranza : Their subject area, but also want to know how they’re doing and help them process what they’ve been through

That’s why I think it’s important for us Richard Carranza : To to the greatest extent possible, bring back in person learning safely and following medical advice, but Richard Carranza : Bring it back so that our students can start the healing process from the trauma that they’ve undergone so we have a tentative start date for September 10 we’re working very hard to try to make that happen Richard Carranza : And I couldn’t be happier to have Dr. Rosa in her role because the State of New York and the State Education Department Richard Carranza : Is a huge partner for us and just a tremendous partner and helping us with flexibilities and giving us the ability to do things are a little bit outside of the box because we are in a pandemic So that’s where we are in New York City Nancy Gutierrez: And that’s not without pushback, right, you’re getting calls from principles union teachers union labor union saying delay What is your reaction or response to that Richard Carranza : Well, I’m very empathetic I mean, I’m a parent I had been a teacher and the principal and I understand And you see all these images on TV And I understand that people are nervous Richard Carranza : Again, what we’re trying to do is to be very data driven and very fact based So when we talk about what the medical science says Richard Carranza : And why we still are on track to be able to open for in person learning It’s not because I want to do It’s not because the mayor made a promise using to do It’s because the medical science says you can do it Richard Carranza : Now, does that could that change tomorrow Of course it could Richard Carranza : But while we have the opportunity adhering to all of those things Richard Carranza : We’re going to continue to move forward And I have to say, you know, even with the face of folks being very concerned about this We’ve had a very good working relationship with all of our labor unions Richard Carranza : That are working with us helping this problem solve, helping us work issue by issue this very complex return to school this fall Richard Carranza : They’ve been right with us and But again, I understand that there’s NX in the community and there’s tanks amongst my colleagues, because we’re in a pandemic right right now Nancy Gutierrez: So how was the state FROM THE STATE’S PERSPECTIVE How are you addressing this concerns both New York City context and at large Well, Betty Rosa: Obviously, New York City, along with the Big Five Richard I did sneak in a comment Betty Rosa: To Nancy about how we even meet on Sundays The Big Five had a meeting this past Sunday I’m from the States perspective, obviously, New York City is our biggest la Betty Rosa: We have to all of us collectively work together in terms of trying to create a Betty Rosa: A direction Betty Rosa: Making sure that we have guidance, one of the one of the big undertaking for us was the issue and and and Richard was instrumental in being very much a part of this when we had our task force Betty Rosa: On New York City was a big participant in in our fourth regional meeting we had four of those throughout the state And so Betty Rosa: Those meetings informed our ultimate guidance that we provided to the field because one of the things at the state level is that we are here to support school districts, we must provide guidance, we must work with do ah Betty Rosa: The Department of Health provided their guidance in terms of health and safety and we continue to provide the guidance around the issues of teaching and learning instruction and all the other Betty Rosa: Pieces that we have to pull together, we were able to interface with the Department of Health and our department Betty Rosa: The kinds of of guidance and framework that we needed to districts that I know for a fact New York City has used as part of of the Betty Rosa: ways of looking at what do we need to do and and the big part of course is looking at the deal Ah guidance Betty Rosa: Whether it’s the testing issues, whether it’s the tracing issues and what are the kinds of things to make to ensure that our kids are safe, but also Betty Rosa: That we have a response in terms of of hybrid or blended or remote now in that process But what’s wonderful is that I know that Betty Rosa: Richard cons are is committed to the fact that in person learning because I kids are social and our schools as social spaces is critical Betty Rosa: But we have to do that Keeping in mind, health and safety and making sure our buildings are ready our resources

are available And again, to the point of if our resources are already Betty Rosa: Challenged It really makes it very difficult to ensure that we can provide the safest and the most up to date spaces Betty Rosa: For our adults as well More importantly, I would say to make sure that the entire community of education educators feel comfortable in that space So for the state We are here to provide guidance We’re here to provide regulatory as Richard Betty Rosa: made reference to regulatory opportunities of waivers, so that this work can be done with fidelity, but at the same time, knowing that we have to do this to support our communities Betty Rosa: Keeping in mind what what what’s necessary and so the conversations I will tell you the two of us have conversations ongoing constantly So, it is it is the Betty Rosa: It is the kind of work that we have to make sure that our work connects with the work of of all of our all of our districts, but really does it in a way that one size doesn’t fit all And so that that we provide the guidance and the regulatory ways, along with the border regions Betty Rosa: To ensure that our kids are safe are educated and that all all of the decisions that are made at the state level really reflect Betty Rosa: The very, very, very best for our communities And we see each other’s as thought partners We are constantly asking each other questions So what do you think about this Can we do this, we just had a three minute conversation right before Betty Rosa: This So, it is an ongoing dialogue that is focused on what is possible under the circumstances and what are the opportunities and how do we advance those possibilities and opportunities at the same time keeping our children and our adults in our educational spaces safe Nancy Gutierrez: Sane right is the is the key word here I hear a THAT WE ARE GOING BACK RIGHT, WE ARE GOING BACK TO SCHOOL It’ll look different Nancy Gutierrez: In different places, even within the city and across the state, right, no one size fits all And we’re going to try and do the best So let’s let’s let’s break that down to say I’m a parent Nancy Gutierrez: Chancellor got on site What do I expect my, my child to experience on September 10 which is the day or, you know, when we open Richard Carranza : So I think, you know, as educators through You always want the very best educational experience for our students So part of what I see my role this year has been is to really level set the expectation for parents It’s, it’s not going to be the ideal Richard Carranza : City One of the dense to cities in an American the world Richard Carranza : Our schools are no different So we know that adhering to social distancing requirements and the medical advice There is no way we can have 100% of our students in a school building at the same time and still Richard Carranza : Have that medical distance So that means we have to come back and ships and means that some students will be in school on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday will be remote learning other kids will come in on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Monday, Tuesday, Richard Carranza : And and many iterations there up now for parents That’s not ideal Richard Carranza : And we know that, but we also know that some semblance of security and other words, at least I know that on Monday, Wednesday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, my child will be in school then parents can start to plan Richard Carranza : And and and for us That’s really important in terms of getting the city back and getting our parents back and getting us back into a flow of what Richard Carranza : What school, you should look like But then school is going to look different Richard Carranza : And what I’ve been cited CJ saying your parents is a time to start talking to children is now they need to understand Look, when you go back Richard Carranza : You’re used to hugging your friends, you’re not going to be able to hold your friends It doesn’t mean they don’t love you, doesn’t mean you don’t love them It’s just, you can’t do that because Richard Carranza : Of the social distance here requirements It’s an act of love Right So there’s different ways that we’re going to show that we’re friends Richard Carranza : You can share your things is here anymore Whoo You like going to the cafeteria While this here you’re going to eat in your classroom, isn’t that going to be fun Richard Carranza : You’re going to have to keep your mask on So all of these things that are just so foreign to children, because that’s not what school

is Richard Carranza : We have to socialize them into understanding that this is for their safety for for their friends safety It’s an act of love to wear your mass Richard Carranza : For me, that’s what’s really important and what parents can really help us with in terms of preparing students to go back That being said, it’s also incredibly important for us to make sure that Richard Carranza : Parents have the support that they need to support students in the remote learning Richard Carranza : Mode So for our parents that don’t have internet connectivity We continue to provide that working with our partners in the community for students who don’t have a device or have a device and it broke Richard Carranza : We continue to distribute Wi Fi enabled devices, we’ve distributed over 340,000 devices to children Richard Carranza : It’s also important for parents to have support to understand how they can help students learn in that remote remote as well So we’ve stood up on our website a whole Parent Portal that has lots of guidance and lots of good tips Richard Carranza : For parents to access as well And then the same thing goes for teachers Richard Carranza : Because teachers are used to interacting with through students and with parents So to do that over a zoom call is a very different experience for many, many of our countries Richard Carranza : That they don’t pass me and being able to do, but then Richard Carranza : We’re learning from each other as well about what are those best practices, how do we capture How do we share them How do we propagate them How do we curate them in a spot so that other teachers can Richard Carranza : avail themselves of those best practices as well All of that is what parents and students are should expect as we come back to school This fall, so Nancy Gutierrez: Near state gives guidance right about what to do, how to how we do this across the state Nancy Gutierrez: It sounds like you’re the Department of it is also giving guidance across New York City, who has the ultimate decision Nancy Gutierrez: Who makes that decision to say this is what our model is going to look like And this is how we’re going to proceed Two days three days, you know, where does that decision land Betty Rosa: Well, I’m going to jump in there Um, what obviously most of us have experienced the fact that the governor had full authority Betty Rosa: On to close down schools and he has all authority to reopen and in the reopening process Most of us are familiar with the fact that on that we both on our end and as well as governor required the the reopening reentry plans that every single district can provide Betty Rosa: Everybody had to provide a plan that was specific to do H and required components of a health plan with supplementals that happened just recently Betty Rosa: Including communications for the Big Five five meetings with parents and teachers And let me say that those additional meetings I know, I know that districts have been in many cases meeting all along Betty Rosa: But I think the governor to ensure that these that the communication was happening did did our requests that are three meetings, plus five meetings for the big five So in addition to Betty Rosa: The health and safety part of the plant every district submitted a plan to once we have 100% of our plans were submitted with a survey with links and they’re all up on our website with 89 assurances and Betty Rosa: Those were all have provided districts have choices obviously have the most of us know that the governor did make it clear that Betty Rosa: That districts, our parents and teachers would have a critical say in this process Their communities needed to work together to come to Betty Rosa: The kinds of plans and decisions that represented their community So some districts are doing starting out remotely are some are hybrid Betty Rosa: Some are doing in more in in person instruction, and again, those are local decisions based on the comprehensive plans that were done by the individual districts that were required both Betty Rosa: By do H flash the governor and our department And so the city put together their plan and they submitted both to do H and to our department

and Richard, you could speak to your specific plan Richard Carranza : Yeah, so our plan as well We have 1800 schools 1.1 million students so Richard Carranza : For us every school is different It’s a can’t as as our Commissioner said, it can’t be a one size fits all So what we did for our plan is obviously all of the medical Richard Carranza : Health and safety requirements They came from with the state was was giving us guidance, but also what our medical experts in the city were telling us as well in guiding us for Richard Carranza : So that was not negotiable in terms of every schools plan But what we also did is we did an analysis of every single school in New York City Richard Carranza : Taking into account the social distancing requirements and then every school got an analysis of every one of their classrooms Richard Carranza : And how many human beings could be in their classroom because you have to count the teacher as well, not just students right so so based on that Richard Carranza : We then also asked principles with their leadership teams to walk their buildings Richard Carranza : And identified any big spaces that they could convert to classroom spaces because when you reduce the number of students Obviously the other students have to go somewhere else Richard Carranza : So principles did that and principles were very creative and they found places that they could convert to other classroom space Richard Carranza : But there were two other factors that were critically important as well because we also know that there are a number of Richard Carranza : My colleagues are colleagues that are, we’re going to have medical exemptions based on underlying medical conditions So we set up a process for Richard Carranza : Our employees to request medical accommodations If they felt they needed a medical accommodation and, in addition, we ask parents to indicate if they had chosen Richard Carranza : To go fully remote to start the year to let us know So once we got those two critical pieces of information than putting my principal hat on Richard Carranza : Now, I know how much square footage I have in my building So I know where I can have classrooms Now I know how many of my teachers are going to be remote teachers because they’ve gotten a medical accommodation Richard Carranza : And now I know how many of my students are not coming for in person, learning, they’re going to be completely remote and I know which how many students I now have to program My ability for Richard Carranza : On top of that, then you’re able then to make decisions about, okay, what Holly is going to be one way to enter the building, which always going to be one way to exit the building Richard Carranza : Where are we going to serve breakfast, where we going to serve lunch How are we going to get it to the classroom Richard Carranza : How are we going to stagger are dropped off times in the morning, so that you don’t get all the kids at once Richard Carranza : But parents know from this time to this time you bring your child the socially distance as they walk in, they get their temperature check etc that level of detail is what we’ve been now immersed in Richard Carranza : At every single one of our schools, getting ready for what this blended learning is going to look like The other thing that I think is important and it sounds a little counterintuitive Richard Carranza : But we said to folks that if you’ve chosen all remote learning and you want to opt back into blended learning in person learning Richard Carranza : You’re going to have to wait until the the grading period, the quarter the quarter in in in in October Richard Carranza : And most people would say, Well, why wouldn’t you Well, think about it You’ve now socially distance you’ve created your classrooms you programmed your classroom So imagine if you have Richard Carranza : 50 children that say, I started remote, but tomorrow I want to go into in person learning Do you have a pro Do you have enough teachers Do you have a space for them Do you have Richard Carranza : A socially distanced classroom for them So there’s a lot of planning that goes into in person Richard Carranza : And that’s why we said if you’ve chosen remote and you want to go into blended Don’t be windows of time where you’ll be able to hop right back into blended learning Richard Carranza : If you’re in blended learning and you want to go full remote, you can do that at any time, because that has no real impact on the building and parents to their credit, have been really good about readiness know what they want Nancy Gutierrez: Right Right And I do want to underscore you talked about medical accommodation So I just for those from out of state, you know, listening Nancy Gutierrez: Just very generous, I think, to put that out there to make sure that our adults are taken care of, as well And then if they have a medical condition they need that they that there can be We can figure out a way to continue the work Nancy Gutierrez: Now let’s We have a question here around about equity right and both of you are Nancy Gutierrez: You know, very bold about what it means to really ensure that all sins are supported But specifically to take a keen eye on Nancy Gutierrez: Our black our indigenous and our students of color within the state

within the city So knowing that we’ve had long standing inequities in our city and our state in our country How are we leveraging this moment Nancy Gutierrez: You know, to think about how school needs to look differently, right This is obviously a pause and Nancy Gutierrez: Interruption and how we typically do Nancy Gutierrez: Schooling knowing this fully didn’t work for all of our children How is this moment leveraged from your Perspective Betty Rosa: Well, let me, let me start from obviously from the state perspective And let me, let me just go back and and also add an element is as I was listening to Richard speak Betty Rosa: There are many there are many regulations that have that we’ve been working with and trying to Betty Rosa: Address because they say impact on funding for our schools So I just want to make sure the audience understands that Betty Rosa: This is not just making these decisions without understanding that these regulatory issues have an impact on how schools operate on and therefore Betty Rosa: We have been trying to work with everybody in terms of even some waivers For example, even something as simple as that student teaching Betty Rosa: If you, if schools are closed out into student teacher Right So either you get creative or you work on some of the waiver so Betty Rosa: I just want to go back to your issue of equity, this is across the board Meaning, some of our workplaces look very similar to many of our communities Betty Rosa: That are are marginalized and have no I have not received the quality of the education that we know that our children deserve and I think both of us And many of us who consider ourselves equity warriors and And by the way, besides equity worries We have now become equity worriers Betty Rosa: You know, Betty Rosa: So those two sort of I know for for Latino who who Betty Rosa: whose first language was English as a second language that gets tricky at times, but I do want to say, then, then the digital equity has been highlighted Betty Rosa: By this pandemic situation and it has been highlighted because of the fact that training for teachers We didn’t have an opportunity to really do Betty Rosa: A deep dive into the training that was needed We didn’t have an opportunity to ensure that our children Happy equipment that some of our communities had the broadband that we in fact we’re prepared to provide instruction Betty Rosa: Not only from the teachers being ready or a train, but also having the technology, not only the technology skills, but the actual technology to support that kind of instruction i think New York City ramped up and Betty Rosa: Set up ways and mechanisms to it and invested, to be quite honest with you invested in trying to reach Betty Rosa: Many of the communities and and I’ll let RICHARD Speak about that from a state perspective, we still have some communities that do not have a Betty Rosa: hotspots that do not have capacity to support many of our communities So this is a statewide issue The whole board that issue is a statewide issue, but it becomes even more Betty Rosa: Obvious and more, um, I would say, defined by Betty Rosa: You know by the, the, the information and data driven that we know based on the impact of our, our poor communities and that is probably that whole digital equity issue is probably one of the most Betty Rosa: Key points that has been highlighted during this whole process Richard Carranza : Yeah, I would say I amen everything that the Commissioner just said, Absolutely But what I would say is Richard Carranza : Let’s just be very, very honest that the new normal host coded 19 cannot must not be like the pre coven normal Richard Carranza : Right Is that normal never serve our children Well, right You ever served or children in poverty

Well, never served our English language learners as well, never served our students with disabilities Well, Richard Carranza : In fact, that exacerbated Many of the opportunity gaps and many of our students were already facing so host coven 19 Richard Carranza : Building on with the Commissioner just said we need to leverage the capacity that we’ve built Richard Carranza : We need to leverage the fact that we’ve gotten devices that are Wi Fi enabled into the hands of students We need to leverage the fact that teachers have built capacity Richard Carranza : Not only to deliver instruction in the usual ways that they’ve delivered instruction, but now they have additional tools to personalize instruction to a greater degree Richard Carranza : Now imagine the post coven world where you have classrooms Again, we now because we have to socially distance we have smaller classrooms Smaller class sizes Richard Carranza : How long have we been talking about having smaller class sizes We’ve talked about the digital divide, we bridge the digital divide We’ve talked about conductivity We’ve bridged the conductivity, we have Richard Carranza : Elevated, I think, to our rightful place the notion that school isn’t just about reading, writing, and arithmetic, but it’s for students get their mental health services they get medical services they get their food Richard Carranza : Right So all of these things that we’ve always said we really believe If only we could We should, if we, if only we had, we’ve been forced to do that in a very short span of six months here in New York City So how do we leverage that So we don’t mean how do Nancy Gutierrez: We maintain it Richard Carranza : Right and maintain it as we go forward Never replacing an hour be really clear I would never advocate you replace you can never replace a well trained caring teacher in a classroom with a student, you just can’t Richard Carranza : But what you can do is augment the tool chest that they have to be able to personalize instruction and meet students where they are and accelerate and enrich what students are learning Richard Carranza : I think that’s the real opportunity that’s a real silver lining If there is any silver lining in this pandemic I think that’s the silver lining that we have And quite frankly, the opportunity that we have or Betty Rosa: And Nancy, I would add that, that the lessons learned how to be advance so that, for example, Nancy Gutierrez: Lessons Learned have to be what Against us Betty Rosa: We can’t as, as Richard said we can’t just go back So, for example, one of one of the issues we face when we were writing on grant Betty Rosa: At the state level So the fact that I don’t think we’ve done a good enough job to train our teachers how to do this work Betty Rosa: In terms of remote learning and remote teaching because this isn’t just about remote it’s remote teaching and learning at this stage, how do we leverage that so that Betty Rosa: We can add that to extended learning So we can add that to beyond the walls of of our buildings It’s the same thing with looking at the professional development areas that we now have to examine Betty Rosa: To train our future teachers in doing this kind of work So those are some of the lessons as we go through this, the whole digital piece Betty Rosa: What is it that we need to ensure that students have in order to be successful So now the inventory looks different and the training the teacher training Betty Rosa: The leadership training, which you’re clearly involved with a look very, very different because that leadership training is going to have to incorporate Betty Rosa: Many of the lessons that we have learned from this process So the opportunities are also here for all of us to take stock for all of us to make sure that we capture Betty Rosa: That learning process and turn that into the possibility the opportunities for I next whatever we want to call that our next sense of when education look like Mm hmm Nancy Gutierrez: Yeah, I mean we if we think about five Let’s imagine five years from now, right, we’ve gotten through and and you know, Richard You said it best saying the trifecta of pandemics Right Nancy Gutierrez: A variety of things that are happening We have so much innovation happening across the country, whether it’s, you know, Miami Dade and have the parent hotline, you know, Nancy Gutierrez: You know, whether it’s Chicago connected, you know, Janet Jackson leadership to make a you know a test, right So how many meals Have we given out in New York City Richard Carranza : We’re now over 95 million Nancy Gutierrez: You know meals and, you know, throughout, no questions asked people compete like there are so many things we’ve been doing as a result of this pandemic and we say Nancy Gutierrez: Hey what states, five years from now, what’s still there

Right What do we say like, why do we have to remove Nancy Gutierrez: You know, I know there’s a principle I like there’s all these things that we’ve created Nancy Gutierrez: What do we maintain what dramatic changes are normal our regular our part of our everyday practice five years from now And one thing we also know as leaders Nancy Gutierrez: You know, starting this conversation with the fact that we’re losing sleep, you know, wanting to make the best decisions for our families and our teachers and our staff Nancy Gutierrez: You know that we have to maintain hope, right, if we don’t have and maintain hope Right Nancy Gutierrez: Then it really does something to us emotionally and on so many levels, it makes it really hard to continue to be inspired by the work we have in front of us Nancy Gutierrez: So if you think about five years from now, what does give you hope, like what is something that we can maintain and if we look back into, say this is this happened as a result of some of the work we did in 2020 Betty Rosa: But but but emergencies sometimes give us the opportunity to think different, because what happens a lot of times we get very comfortable Betty Rosa: It’s almost like driving for driving only seeing the car in front of you right this is sometimes an opportunity to look down the road and say what’s possible, because obviously this emergency has really given us Betty Rosa: An opportunity I need to think that that we’re going to not examine those things that we have done that we know as a result of this that we know that we want to embed into the fabric of educating our students Betty Rosa: So I definitely want to capture those lessons Betty Rosa: Are the kinds of of energy kind of responsiveness Betty Rosa: Things that we have Betty Rosa: Absolutely responded, the way we have responded and the kinds of things that we have done in order to ensure Betty Rosa: That our kids are still getting their meals, the childcare The opportunities to respond to even for the art department Betty Rosa: We’re responding to regulatory things that in the past would say, Well, you know, maybe we don’t want to change this, we know what Betty Rosa: We are we’ve had to under this umbrella So therefore I really think that it’s put it put at the what I call the flashlight right on many of the things that we need to rethink Betty Rosa: The way that we do schooling and the way we think about it and expanding those opportunities I think it’s critical So the hope for me is that we take the very, very best lesson Betty Rosa: I’m not only on the human side of this endeavor, the humanity The, the movement away from the single story Betty Rosa: To creating a new narrative, the opportunity that we’re in this together and that we have to celebrate our sense of people hood Betty Rosa: And that the pain that we have all found that we share those moments so that we can advance and we can move forward, knowing that we are going to be better for it Betty Rosa: And so, despite all the awful, awful things that this these three that the trifecta ratio call it um let’s find the winning Betty Rosa: Opportunities and the best way I can describe it is I’m a pony finder and right now we have a lot of manure But underneath that manure I want to find that pony I really do And I know that I know that we will And so I’m I’m joining hands with a lot of pony finders Betty Rosa: And that’s, that’s what I’m hoping I’m hoping we will do Nancy Gutierrez: And as Yeah And that could be you know anti racist schools that can be culturally responsive classrooms that could be Nancy Gutierrez: A family centered approach versus a student centered approach right and all of these things that we’ve learned Nancy Gutierrez: Same question for you, five years from now, what are we thinking back like these are the things that we were able to carry forward dramatic changes because it wasn’t working in the past for for Are you yeah Richard Carranza : Great question So consider this in the last six months Richard Carranza : And then Richard Carranza : The New York City, we’ve distributed, you know the the 300,000 plus devices We’ve put Wi Fi in the hands of some of our pores children and families, we’ve been able to Richard Carranza : Serve you know all of these millions of meals, all of those things We’ve already talked about but also consider this in the last six months we have not suspended from school one student Richard Carranza : Not one last six months we have not punitively help students accountable

because of attendance Richard Carranza : In the country We’ve been out looking for students and finding We haven’t heard from you Where are you, are you okay what do you Richard Carranza : Think about this in the last six months We haven’t negatively evaluated, a teacher, based on a putative evaluation system, that may or may not be aligned to what the actual practice actually is anyway Richard Carranza : Think about that in the last six months we’ve communicated more with parents and communities than we ever have before We’ve been forced to we’ve wanted to, but we have Richard Carranza : About the power in a non pandemic environment of continuing those enlightened practices and making them part of what we do as what we do to educate children and empower and help to empower communities Think of the power Richard Carranza : Think about the harnessing of the creativity of our teachers and putting in their hands The devices The, the curriculum, the resources Richard Carranza : To be able to be very creative and personalized instruction and meet students where they are and then accelerate them to imagine if we continue to do that and iterate on that and continue to help teachers build their capacity to do that Richard Carranza : I would also say this, I think, in the United States, at least my entire career We’ve always bemoan the fact that Richard Carranza : Educators and education doesn’t occupy one of those social tears that we would say, Ah, right I really want to be a teacher, you know, Richard Carranza : And we’ve the moment because other places across the world do hold teachers in very high esteem, I would very respectfully say that this Richard Carranza : The last six months have elevated in a very practical, but real way the real work that teachers do Richard Carranza : When our parents have been thrust into the role of adjunct teachers and it had to understand how do you help your students, all of a sudden Richard Carranza : Sending your child to school takes on a whole different meaning because now you understand how students learn and how you keep them engaged and how you keep them motivated and how you keep them focused so it’s given all of us Richard Carranza : But especially those of us that have never been educators, it’s given people are very different perspective on the profession Richard Carranza : Not the job the profession of education And I think that’s a really powerful insight for the body public to understand in terms of what education is and how important it is to our society Nancy Gutierrez: The elevation of teaching Nancy Gutierrez: And Bettina love always talks about how you know in leadership Sometimes we end up becoming managers have an equity and inequality resetting disrupting it Nancy Gutierrez: In recruiting I love this idea of, let’s imagine the last six months Well, we haven’t done Nancy Gutierrez: Right And also, I think, you know, Dr. So when you when you talk to, like, these lessons learned it points to the fact that we actually the process to learn from those Nancy Gutierrez: Like we can’t just assume that we’re going to learn from them Nancy Gutierrez: Right, because it is very natural for us just to jump right back into the way we used to do things I know I, for one, and so many of us do not want to return to a system that didn’t work Nancy Gutierrez: For our students and specifically our students of color are black or Indigenous students to Special Needs and our English learners Nancy Gutierrez: So we have lots of questions coming in I think we have time for maybe one final question here Nancy Gutierrez: But let’s assume that you know that we have safe structures in place for the classroom and like all safety procedures are in place, from your perspective, like Nancy Gutierrez: What would be the most effective virtual teaching and learning What would that look like you know like imagine just take safety, it’s in place Like, what do our kids actually need right now in this moment One example I’ll give you a Phoenix, Arizona Nancy Gutierrez: The High School District out there They’re doing every child, every day, and they’re making sure that every single kid in the community gets a 15 minute phone call Nancy Gutierrez: To check in to see how they’re doing with the big goal of saying Nancy Gutierrez: You’re here you’re, you know, you’re cared about your loved and to also keep them motivated in the schooling process We know that our youth will not learn from us If they do not feel cared for and connected Nancy Gutierrez: We also know that our kids have reported feeling less connected today than they’ve ever felt to schools and so assuming all safety procedures are in place What does an amazing culturally responsive virtual classroom look like on September 10 Richard Carranza : So I’ll start Then I’ll let Dr. Rose to be the closer on this one Richard Carranza : I think I think what what that would look like in terms of virtual environment is that students are free to explore their passion Richard Carranza : Free to light their, their creativity and their passion So if that means virtually they can take a virtual tour of the loop Richard Carranza : And then write about what the beautiful art that they see why not Richard Carranza : If students are able to then connect with other students think about this as well, you know, if you have a student currently in New York City and you have your

best AP statistics teacher Richard Carranza : And they happen to teach at high school x Richard Carranza : And can you imagine now harnessing harnessing that virtual power We’re now students from 15 other high schools in New York City in all five boroughs Richard Carranza : Get to take this statistics classroom with this phenomenal teacher Richard Carranza : Think about that We’ve blurred Now the lines of geography We’ve blurred the lines of the classroom and we’re actually bringing great practices to many more students across the city that for me is a great virtual experience Richard Carranza : I would also say that a great virtual experience means it’s not just online That means that they’re sparking their creativity of a student, you’re sparking Richard Carranza : Something that they really want to learn more about and then they go out and learn about it to go out and do it They go out and take ownership of finding out and building or looking at or are reading about Richard Carranza : I think that that’s the power of opening the world to a virtual environment to our students And that’s what we’re trying We’re trying really hard to put those those fundamental pieces in place so that our teachers can help our students and through that Nancy Gutierrez: Creates more access right there’s more and they reminds me of Sonia sentences in Baltimore Nancy Gutierrez: School, she’s doing this She’s revamping the social studies curriculum It’s called be more me Exactly That’s the same like what, what’s your passion What’s you’re interested How can we learn about our community are also same question for you Betty Rosa: For um I i think it’s an opportunity to explore Betty Rosa: To use the virtual as a creative space, but at the same time go out into other spaces that you normally are in some ways we take for granted We don’t see these spaces because we’re so busy living in these these defined spaces for home school go into Betty Rosa: The opportunity to connect with community service type of of of possibilities are in a safe way have projects project base, something that I’ve always wanted to do and do it connected with real, the real world Betty Rosa: And connecting that real world with the virtual and bringing them together so that kids have the Betty Rosa: The opportunity to really define what they’re learning feels like looks like engaging them exciting them and having the Betty Rosa: The three hour what I call going out of the the what what are defined as the requirements, because so many times Our students are are confronted with Betty Rosa: taking this course This is the requirement How about this is the moment to create to be excited to connect to find ways of learning that Betty Rosa: Are that are different that is sure So for me it’s it’s going back to connecting the outside with the inside, both inside of the students outside of the students and using the virtual platform Betty Rosa: As a superhighway to all kinds of possibilities that will redefine learning for years to come Nancy Gutierrez: Absolutely And both of you have such critical roles in the state Nancy Gutierrez: And, you know, one thing we know is that we have to practice a lot of self care right now, otherwise this will kind of down Doesn’t matter what role you’re in Nancy Gutierrez: A, we have to So my question to you is, how are you Nancy Gutierrez: keeping yourself whole so you can keep the rest of us whole right and your role like what is one thing you’re doing just to keep yourself going that you met advice to other leaders such as myself or others watching that we should also try Richard Carranza : Yeah, I would say there’s three things that that I’m doing number Richard Carranza : One I’m playing my guitar a lot less that brings me a lot of joy and I’m also Richard Carranza : Trying to recreate my mom’s cooking So I’m in the kitchen making a mess, but I’m having a blast And because I’m in the kitchen making a mess I’m doing a lot of exercising as well So those three things be granted Betty Rosa: I’m interested in cooking is for me as well

I am I am not a great cook but I’m learning how to connect with the greatness of cooking Betty Rosa: And trying to become better at it So that’s one The other thing is that I am 12 years here in Albany Betty Rosa: And moving to Albany now is giving me an opportunity and I’m I am within walking distance to the waters to really explore a place that I have been Betty Rosa: I’ve been existing in So now it’s an opportunity to get to know and connect with a place that I’m going to be living in of for however long I’m going to be here Betty Rosa: So that’s the second one And the third one is really the the opportunity to create time to connect with people to check in on them Betty Rosa: And make sure that they check in on other on other people to make sure that the okay and that we talk about the pain Betty Rosa: And the reality that we’re feeling in these isolated moments and staying connected stay connected for me has become critical in just a way to just feel that Betty Rosa: We’re in this together and that we can be truthful and And the final thing I’m going to say each other I have a network of people that we send each other little virtual hugs and I know we all need Betty Rosa: Some moments of laughter I think we need to to also we need the joy of enjoying in our lives Nancy Gutierrez: Absolutely will make us Yes I want to thank you both for your time and for your expertise for your energy I was especially intrigued by Nancy Gutierrez: The conversation around, you know, what have we not done in the past six months that we can carry forward and what are the new ideas and innovations What has been forced upon us That should remain right and services We elevate our profession Nancy Gutierrez: And I’m confident I’m inspired I know we will get through this and not only to get through it but to create more equitable schools for our students and for our families Nancy Gutierrez: Wishing you the very, very best in our reopening plans and thank you for taking the time to sit with us and to so we can hear a little bit of your insight on on your plans forward So thank you again so much for being here with us All right Nancy Gutierrez: Thank you

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