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>>> RIGHT NOW, AMERICA IS HURTING BUT AS A BLACK JOURNALIST HAVE COVERED THIS BEFORE I’M PUSHING DEEP INTO THE RACIAL JUSTICE AND VIOLENCE MOLDERING IN THIS COUNTY LONG BEFORE WE EVER LEARNED GEORGE FLOYD’S NAME SUBSCRIBE FREE WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS >> THESE WILL BE THE IMAGES THAT WILL ARCHIVE THIS MOMENT IN OUR HISTORY THE CLIENT PEACEMAKERS, PICKING UP THE PIECES I’M LESTER HOLT, PLEASE TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AND EACH OTHER >> ARE YOU EXCITED? >> DEFINITELY AM >> YEAH >> LET’S GET IN SOME TROUBLE >> BREAKING NEWS TONIGHT >> CAN YOU FEEL THE EXCITEMENT >> MUST BE MY LUCKY DAY >> TEAR GAS AND RUBBER BULLETS IN MINNEAPOLIS DAYS AFTER 46-YEAR-OLD GEORGE FLOYD’S DIED AFTER KNEELING ON HIS NECK FOR NINE MINUTES >> TAKING THE LIFE OF GEORGE FLOYD WITH HIS HANDS IN HIS POCKETS, LOOKING OUT THAT WAY IT WAS APPARENT TO ME, THAT HE DID NOT THINK ANYTHING WOULD HAPPEN TO HIM, AND THAT IS A FAILURE OF LAW >> IN WHICH WE ARE SEEING ON OUR STREETS NEED 200 STAND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSE WHICH IS THE OVER POLICING AND RACISM LEVIED ON BLACK AMERICANS >> KNOW WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR WHAT’S HIS NAME? >> GEORGE FLOYD >> WHAT’S HIS NAME? >> GEORGE FLOYD >> HI EVERYONE, I’M JERMAINE LEE BLACK DEATH AT THE HANDS OF WHITE POLICE AND VIGILANTES DATES BACK LONG BEFORE CELL PHONE VIDEOS AND SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDS, BUT THE RECENT KILLINGS OF AHMAD AUBREY IN GEORGIA, RIHANNA TAYLOR IN KENTUCKY, AND GEORGE FLOYD IN MINNESOTA HAVE IGNITED OLD KINDLING IT IS A FIRE WHICH HAS BEEN BURNING SLOWLY IN BLACK AMERICA, WHILE MUCH OF THE REST OF SOCIETY HAS CLOSED THEIR EYES AND COVERED THEIR EARS BUT NOW, WE ARE AT A CROSSROADS ANGER, RAGE, AND GRIEF, ARE SPILLING ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WITH BLACK PEOPLE ONCE AGAIN DEMANDING EQUALITY, DEMANDING JUSTICE, AND, DEMANDING TO BE HEARD THE DEATHS SENSELESS AND VIOLENT IN THE UPRISINGS A REMINDER OF JUST HOW FAR WE HAVE TO GO, HOW MUCH FEELING WE HAVE TO DO, AND HOW ALONE THE STRUGGLES FOR JUSTICE OFTEN FEEL THIS IS CAN YOU HEAR US NOW, A CONVERSATION ABOUT RACE, JUSTICE, AND A WAY FORWARD TO UNPACK THIS MOMENT, I AM JOINED BY BRITTANY CUNNINGHAM, ACTIVIST AND COFOUNDER OF CAMPAIGN ZERO NICOLE HANNAH JONES, PULITZER PRIZE WINNER AND STAFF WRITER AT THE NEW YORK TIMES MAGAZINE, AND LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF WISCONSIN, MANDELA VINE NICOLE, I WANT TO START WITH YOU IT HAS BEEN A REALLY ROUGH HEAVY WEEK FOR MANY OF US ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE ON THE GROUND, OR FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY I WANT TO ASK YOU, WHY DOES THIS TIME FEEL DIFFERENT? WHAT IS THIS TIME FEEL SO PERSONAL? >> I THINK THERE ARE A FEW THINGS. ONE, IT’S THE SHEER NATURE OF THIS PARTICULAR POLICE KILLING, TO SEE A MAN LAYING FACE DOWN ON THE CONCRETE AS A WHITE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER KNEELS ON HIM FOR EIGHT MINUTES AND 46 SECONDS, UNTIL THE LIFE LITERALLY SEEPS OUT OF HIM AND, THE LOOK ON THAT OFFICER’S FACE, AS HE KNOWS HE IS BEING RECORDED, SHOWING THAT HE HAD NO CONCERN, EITHER FOR GEORGE FLOYD’S LIFE, OR THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY CONSEQUENCES SO JUST THE NATURE OF THIS PARTICULAR KILLING, AND THEN, YOU ADD THE FACT ON TOP THAT IT IS COMING ON THE HEELS OF AHMAD AUBREY AND BREANNA TAYLOR, AND IN THE MIDST OF THREE YEARS OF A PRESIDENT WHO RAN ON A WHITE NATIONALIST CAMPAIGN HAS SPENT THE LAST THREE YEARS STOKING RACIAL TENSIONS AND DIVIDES, THAT WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC, WHERE BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DYING AT HIGHEST RATES, BUT ALSO, ARE FACING THE HIGHEST RATES OF UNEMPLOYMENT IN THE COUNTRY THERE IS SO MUCH SUFFERING AND ANGUISH AND ANGER RIGHT NOW AND IT ALL CAME TOGETHER IN A VERY COMBUSTIBLE WAY I THINK WHAT YOU ARE CALLING SPECIAL IS CRITICAL CAN YOU SEE US NOW? >> BRITNEY, AS AN ACTIVIST, YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE GROUND CITY BY CITY, WE ACTUALLY MET ON THE STREETS OF FERGUSON DURING THAT UPRISING I WANT TO ASK YOU, THERE IS GREAT PAIN ON ONE SIDE, BUT ALSO GREAT RAGE AND ANGER, GUESSING THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN A WAY THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN IN PRIOR CASES WHY NOW? WHAT ABOUT THIS LATEST CASE, GEORGE FLOYD SPARKED THIS WASTE? >> I THINK WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE, THE IMPORTANT IMPACT OF BLACK ACTIVISM, BLACK ORGANIZING, BLACK SCHOLARSHIP, BLACK WRITING, BLACK ART, BLACK CONTENT CREATION IN ALL FORMS, TO BRING US TO THIS POINT BACK IN 2014, WE DID NOT HAVE DATA OR RESEARCH WE DID NOT HAVE THE POLICIES SET UP IN SUCH A WAY AS TO BE

EASILY ACCESSED, NOT JUST HOW SYSTEMIC VIOLENCE IMPACTS BLACK PEOPLE BUT SPECIFICALLY HOW POLICE VIOLENCE IMPACTS BLACK PEOPLE WHEN WE LOOK AT NICHOLS PROJECT, THE 1619 PROJECTS, THERE HAS BEEN A CONTINUAL AWAKENING OF AMERICA, AND A DEPTH OF UNDERSTANDING THAT PEOPLE HAVE AND I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR, THE WORKS OF BLACK ACTIVISTS LIKE MYSELF HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS IS NOT HEALED JUST LIKE THE CHALLENGES ARE NOT HEALED BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING AT TALKING AND ORGANIZING SINCE WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS COUNTRY, AND I DO BELIEVE THERE IS AN INTENTIONAL — BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING TO BRING PEOPLE TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE MORE CLEAR AND READY AND HAVE MORE UNDERSTANDING AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, SEE THEIR OWN BEHAVIOR AS COMPLICIT IN SYSTEMS THEY BENEFIT FROM AND THEREFORE IT IS THEIR BEHAVIOR THAT HAS TO CHANGE IN ORDER TO SHIFT >> MANDELA, YOU’RE THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF WISCONSIN, BUT, YOU ARE ALSO A BLACK MAN AFTER THESE LAST TWO WEEKS WE HAVE SEEN, AND THE PROTESTERS HAVE SEEN, WHAT CONCERNS YOU MORE, AS A BLACK MAN, THE STATE OF RACE RELATIONS AND WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW? OR, AS A POLITICIAN WHO CARES FOR THE WELL-BEING OF YOUR ESTATE AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS? >> MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO STILL DO NOT GET IT WE HAVE A LOT OF COMFORTABLE POLITICIANS, A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE IN ELECTED OFFICE WHO AREN’T READY TO MOVE YET WHO ARE NOT READY TO TAKE ON THIS CHALLENGE IT AS WE HAVE SAID BEFORE, THIS DID NOT POP UP OUT OF NOWHERE, IS LIKE VOLCANIC ACTIVITY TOOK A LONG WHILE FOR US TO GET TO THIS POINT BUT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH RUNNING IN WISCONSIN WE ARE 6 1/2 PERCENT BLACK STATE, THESE ARE STILL ISSUES I CARRY BECAUSE THEY IMPACT EVERYBODY. FOR THOSE WHO THOUGHT THAT WE COULD IGNORE THIS FOR SO LONG ARE SEEING FIRSTHAND THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE AND, THIS MEANS WE HAVE TO DEVELOP A PLAN IT MEANS GETTING OUT IN FRONT, AND LIKE NICOLE MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO HAS EXACERBATED THESE RACIAL TENSIONS, MAKING PEOPLE FEEL UNWELCOME, MAKING PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY DON’T HAVE A SHOT IN THE SOCIETY AS LONG AS THAT GOES ON, THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET WORSE WE ARE IN A PIVOTAL MOMENT, WHERE WE CAN ADDRESS THIS HEAD ON, WHERE WE CAN SAY, NO MORE, NOT AGAIN AND AS ELECTED LEADERS, IT IS UP TO US TO DO THAT IT IS IMPERATIVE FOR US TO DO THAT NO MATTER WHERE YOU RESIDE YOU CAN BE BOLD IN ANY STATE OR CITY IN AMERICA, BUT, IF YOU DON’T, YOU SEE THE RESULTS AND THAT’S NOT WHAT WE WANT >> I WANT TO BRING IN ACTOR DON CHEADLE DON, THERE IS NO DOUBT, THAT WE HAVE A SOCIETY THAT IS LARGELY CLEAVED ALONG RACE AND CLASS LINES AND I WANT TO ASK YOU PERSONALLY, WHEN DID YOU FIRST REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS OFTEN A DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY THAT BLACK AND WHITE PEOPLE LIVE AND DIE IN AMERICA >> WELL, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAS BLACK PEOPLE WE LEARNED VERY EARLY FROM OUR PARENTS HOW TO COME HOME SAFE, SUPPORT YOURSELF WHEN YOU DEAL WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO, SO THAT YOU CAN JUST RETURN HOME IN ONE PIECE SO, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS PUT INTO MY PSYCHE PERSONALLY, AND ALL OF MY FRIENDS LIKE YOU WHO ARE BLACK MEN AND WOMEN FROM CHILDHOOD AND, IT CONTINUES, THROUGHOUT MY ADULTHOOD YOU KNOW, I LIVED IN LA DURING THE RIOTS DURING 1982 AND I HAVE SEEN EVERY ASPECT OF THIS, LONG. AND I HAVE PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW A LOT OF DUDES, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE STREETS, IN NEIGHBORHOODS, I’VE NEVER HAD A GUN PULLED ON ME BY ANY OF THEM BUT I’VE HAD GUNS PULLED ON ME BY THE LAPD, COUNTLESS TIMES HAD MY LIFE THREATENED COUNTLESS TIMES, FOR DOING NOTHING FOR WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND, THIS IS A SYSTEMIC AND INSTITUTIONALIZED PROBLEM THAT WE ARE ALL NOW FULLY AWARE OF, SOME OF US HAVE KNOWN FOR MANY MANY YEARS AND WE ARE SEEING THE WATERSHED MOMENT ONCE AGAIN WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THESE NAMES THAT WE SHOULD JUST REPEAT BY ROTE, WE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO KNOW SOLANO CASTILLE, AND BRENNA TAYLOR, THESE THINGS SHOULD NOT BE ETCHED INTO OUR CONSCIOUSNESS BUT THANKFULLY, NOW THAT WE HAVE FILM AND CELL PHONES AND PICTURES, THAT ARE SPEAKING 1000 WORDS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN NO LONGER BE HIDDEN IT CANNOT BE SWEPT UNDER A RUG AND MY FERVENT PRAYER AND HOPE IS THAT THIS ENERGY AND OUTRAGE THAT WE FEEL RIGHT NOW, WE CAN USE TO FOLLOW THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ORGANIZING IN SPACES FOR MANY MANY YEARS, AND WE CAN GLEAN SOME UNDERSTANDING ON HOW TO BRING WHATEVER WE HAVE TO BEAR ON THIS ISSUE TO THE FRONT

RIGHT NOW >> NICOLE, THE EXPERIENCE THAT JOHN IS TALKING ABOUT, THE FATIGUE OF THIS GOING BACK TO CHILDHOOD, THAT YOUR RAISE NOT NECESSARILY IN FEAR OF YOUR NEIGHBOR, BUT THERE IS CONCERN FROM A VERY EARLY AGE THAT YOU KNOW SOME HOW THINGS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT MAYBE YOU ARE DIFFERENT, THE WORLD SEES YOU IN A DIFFERENT WAY TALK TO ME ABOUT GROWING UP WAS THERE A MOMENT WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT THINGS WERE LITERALLY DIFFERENT IN BLACK AND WHITE? >> YEAH, I ALMOST CANNOT REMEMBER A TIME WHEN I DID NOT KNOW THAT I STARTED GETTING BUMPED FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD INTO BLACK SCHOOLS IN SECOND GRADE MY PARENTS THOUGHT THAT WAS THE BEST WAY FOR ME TO GET A BETTER EDUCATION AND YOU COULD SEE IT THROUGH THE BUS WINDOW THE REDS GOT FIXED, THERE WERE PARKS, NICE RESTAURANTS AND PLACES TO SHOP AND SO EVEN AS A KID, I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WAS A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW PEOPLE LIVE ON THE BLACK SIDE OF TOWN VERSUS THE WHITE SIDE OF TOWN THEY ALSO SAW THE NARRATIVE ABOUT WHY THAT WAS WAS NOT TRUE BECAUSE, THE FOLKS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WERE SOME OF THE HARDEST WORKING PEOPLE THAT I KNEW THEY WEREN’T THE TYPE OF GUYS THAT PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE WOULDN’T EVEN LAST IN SO, I HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES AND THOUGHT ABOUT THESE DIFFERENCES REALLY ALMOST AS LONG AS I COULD REMEMBER >> IT IS ALMOST IN MANY WAYS, AS IF WE ISOLATED TO COMPLETE THE SEPARATE UNIVERSES BRITNEY, I WANT TO ASK YOU, THERE ARE PROBABLY MANY WHITE PEOPLE WATCHING RIGHT NOW, WHO WANT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF INJUSTICE IN AMERICA THE NATURE OF INEQUALITY IN THIS COUNTRY, AND FRANKLY, THE NATURE OF BLACK PAIN TAP INTO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT BUT, TALK TO ME, WHEN EXPLAINING BLACK, TO WHITE PEOPLE, DOES THAT EXACERBATE THE VERY TRAUMA THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IN THE FIRST PLACE? IS IT A NECESSARY STEP TO PUSH FOR CHANGE? >> OF COURSE IT EXACERBATES THE TRAUMA THAT WE FACE AND UNFORTUNATELY IT IS PRECISELY HOW OPPRESSION FUNCTIONS SO OFTEN, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE MOST AFFECTED BY THE OPPRESSION ARE THE ONES WHO BEAR THE GREATEST RESPONSIBILITY AND HEAVIEST BURDEN IS IN CORRECTING THAT OPPRESSION THIS IS PRECISELY WHY WE CANNOT WAIT TO WASTE THIS MOMENT I SEE A LOT OF BLACK FOLKS WHO ARE RIGHTFULLY LOOKING AT NONBLACK PEOPLE AND SAYING, THIS IS NOT JUST MY JOB, AND PRIMARILY IT IS YOUR JOB FROM THE SYSTEM, IF YOU ARE ADVANTAGED FROM SYSTEMS OF DISCRIMINATION AND YOU HAVE TO REMOVE YOUR TACIT APPROVAL YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THE WILLINGNESS TO ALLOW THESE SYSTEMS TO PROCESS SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY KEEP YOU COMFORTABLE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE ARE ALL SITTING HERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WHILE WE ARE DEALING WITH A MOUNTAIN OF EMOTIONS WE ARE TRYING TO PARENTS THROUGH THIS, WE ARE TRYING TO LOVE OUR SPOUSES THROUGH THIS, WE ARE TRYING TO HEAL OUR OWN PROMISE THROUGH THIS WE ARE TRYING TO MANAGE HOW MUCH WE DO AND DO NOT TELL OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE TIME WE HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE, THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL RISE IN EMOTION AND WE ARE DEALING WITH ALL OF THIS IN THE MIDST OF OTHER CRISES WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO KEEP OUR PEOPLE SAFE FROM CORONAVIRUS, WHICH IS KILLING US DISPROPORTIONATELY, AND WHY? BECAUSE THE INJUSTICES THAT BLACK PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS EXPERIENCED ARE EXACERBATED IN THIS MOMENT THAT IS HOW EDUCATION, TECHNOLOGY GAPS, BAD MEDICAL OUTCOMES, HEALTH DISPARITY AND LOW WAGES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE INCREASING RIGHT NOW IN OUR LIVES AND IN OUR EXPERIENCE SO WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE YES THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE AND HEAR US NOW BUT RECOGNIZE THAT FOR ALL OF US, TALKING AND ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE WATCHING, THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL EXERCISE OF THAT TRAUMA IF YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, IF YOU ARE NOT BLACK, HOW YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP YOURSELF ON THIS WORK AND IN THIS WORK WITHOUT US HAVING TO — OPPRESSION RESURFACES >> IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PANEL, NBC HOST A PANEL OF WHITE AMERICANS TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT ARE LEADING BLACK FOLKS TO BE IN THE STREETS RIGHT NOW >> 100 PERCENT I IMAGINE THAT EVERYBODY ON THIS PANEL PROBABLY HAS GOTTEN CALLS FROM THEIR WHITE FRIENDS, AND ALLIES ASKING QUESTIONS AND HAVEN’T DONE THE RESEARCH THEMSELVES, THEY’RE COMING TO US AND IT’S LIKE, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, WHAT HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO HAVE YOU PUT ANY THOUGHT INTO YOUR OWN LIFE? WHERE DO YOU HAVE INFLUENCE IN THE COMMUNITY AT YOUR JOB IN CHURCH AND SCHOOL? THERE ARE MULTIPLE PLACES THAT YOU GUYS CAN BE STARTING CONVERSATIONS, AND NOT COME AS YOU ARE SAYING NICOLE, ONCE AGAIN, BRINGING THIS TRAUMA TO

US TO PLEASE EXPECT US TO SOMEHOW ASSUAGE THIS IT’S LIKE GET ON THE FRONT LINES WITH US GET DOWN WITH US LET’S GO, YOU DO THIS I THINK THERE’S >> IN FACT, GET ON THE FRONT LINES IN FRONT OF US >> IN FRONT OF US PEOPLE GOING THROUGH CHILDHOOD AND SCHOOL AND PROFESSIONAL LIFE YOU HAVE NEVER HAD TO WORRY ABOUT THIS, AND SHOW NO CONCERN, AND NOW ASK US WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP, IS NOT A QUESTION, BUT DO YOU QUESTION >> I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME YOU’RE ALWAYS PUTTING OUT THAT WORK AND ON TV WE KNOW YOU ARE BUSY, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND YOU >> MANDELA, THERE HAVE BEEN TWO DISTINCT THEMES PLAYING OUT ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY ONE IS OF PEACEFUL PROTESTERS, CHANTING AND HOLDING SIGNS DEMAND JUSTICE FOR GEORGE FLOYD’S AND OTHERS, AND THE OTHER IS OF BROKEN GLASS AND FLAMES ON FIRE AND DAMAGE BUILDINGS I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS, MANDELA, IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING, IS IT A RIOT OR REBELLION? >> IT’S FRUSTRATION IT’S FRUSTRATION YOU CAN’T TELL PEOPLE HOW TO BE FRUSTRATED WE GO BACK TO THE SAME POINT ALL OF OVER AGAIN, FOLKS DIDN’T JUST WAKE UP AND DECIDE WERE GOING TO BREAK SOME GLASS, WE’RE GOING TO SET SOME THINGS ON FIRE ON ONE HAND, YOU HAVE THE PROTEST ARE SENDING A MESSAGE DIRECTLY TO LEADERSHIP, MAKING DEMANDS, VERY SPECIFIC DEMANDS , HOWEVER, THE QUESTION COMES UP, WHEN ARE THE PROTESTERS, THE ACTIVISTS AND ORGANIZERS AND THE PEOPLE GOING TO HOLD PEOPLE DOING DAMAGE ACCOUNTABLE? THE FACT IS, THE ORGANIZERS ARE PUSHING FOR ACCOUNTABILITY AS WELL, BECAUSE, THAT GOES TO THE GOOD COP BAD COP ARGUMENT WHEN ARE GOOD COPS GOING TO HOLD BAD COPS ACCOUNTABLE WE ARE ALL LOOKING FOR THE SAME THING MORE THAN DAMAGE AND DESTRUCTION AND REBELLION, IT IS FRUSTRATION, AND, IT DIDN’T GET THIS WAY OUT OF NOWHERE THE ONUS FALLS ON ALL ELECTED LEADERSHIP, ALL DECISION-MAKERS WHO FAIL TO ADDRESS THE CRISIS, BEFORE IT GOT TO THIS POINT >> THANK YOU WE HAVE BEEN GETTING SUBMISSIONS FROM BLACK PEOPLE ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY THEY HAVE BEEN TELLING US WHY THEY ARE OUT THERE PROTESTING, PROTESTING FOR GEORGE FLOYD THIS IS WHAT GUIDELINES, FROM WASHINGTON DC, HAD TO SAY HE SAID BEING BLACK, , AND ACTIVE DUTY, I HAVE SEEN MY FAIR SHARE OF INJUSTICES OUR BEAUTY IS IN OUR DIVERSITY, BUT OUR POWER IS IN OUR UNITY I MARCH SO THAT THE DEATHS OF GEORGE FLOYD AND COUNTLESS OTHERS KNOWN AND UNKNOWN WILL NOT BE IN VAIN NICOLE, WE HAVE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BLACK DEATH AND STRUGGLE AND PROTEST, AND WE’VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION MANY TIMES BEFORE BUT IN THIS MOMENT, WITH ALL THE PASSION AND THE PAIN, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE DEMONSTRATIONS AND PROTEST, PANELS WITH ESTEEMED BLACK PANELISTS WILL ACTUALLY PUSH UP ANY CLOSER TO MEANINGFUL CHANGE? >> I HATE TO TRY TO PREDICT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE, I THINK IT IS HARD TO TELL WHAT I WILL SAY IS, THE LAST TIME THAT WE HAD THIS MANY UPRISINGS IN AS MANY CITIES WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN AROUND 1968, WITH THE ASSASSINATION OF MARTIN LUTHER KING AND WHAT ACTUALLY CAME FROM THAT WAS THE PASSAGE OF THE FAIR HOUSING ACT, THE FAIR HOUSING ACT HAS BEEN ON LIFE SUPPORT, IT HAS BEEN FILIBUSTERED FOR SEVERAL YEARS, EVERYONE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO GO DOWN IN FLAMES AGAIN AND IT WAS UPRISINGS WITH THE CAPITAL BUILDING BEING GUARDED BY THE NATIONAL GUARD THAT FORCED CONGRESS TO PASS THE FAIR HOUSING LEGISLATION SO, I GUESS WHAT I AM SAYING IS, PEOPLE SAY THAT THESE TYPES OF UPRISINGS ARE ONLY DESTRUCTIVE AND CANNOT LEAD TO POSITIVE CHANGE, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE, THAT WHEN YOU SEE THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY DAMAGE, WHEN YOU SEE THESE TYPES OF SUSTAINED PROTESTS GOING ON IN ALL THE CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL BE FORCED TO PAY ATTENTION AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING TO HOLD POLICE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE WAY WANTING TO BE RESPECTED AND TREATED WITH DIGNITY, AND TO HAVE EQUAL PROJECTION — PROTECTIONS BEFORE THE LAW >> DON, YOU SAID YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE GOING THROUGH LA AND WE’VE SEEN FERGUSON, AND WE’VE SEEN MIKE BROWN, AND WE’VE SEEN FREDDY GRAY, WE HAVE SEEN IT ALL PUSHED AND PUSHED AND PUSHED, BUT, LITTLE SEEMS TO CHANGE DO YOU EXPECT THIS TIME TO BE DIFFERENT ARE WE AT A TIPPING POINT, WHERE MAYBE THIS TIME MEANINGFUL CHANGE IS ON THE HORIZON? >> I THINK I HAVE TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT NICOLE SAID, AND SAY IT IS POSSIBLE BUT I KNOW THAT

STRUGGLES TO PROTECT INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM AND SYSTEMATIC INJUSTICE WHICH GOT US HERE IT’S NOT GOING TO BE EASY ESPECIALLY WITH LEADERSHIP WHICH IS A WORD I USE INCREDIBLY LOOSELY WHICH WE HAVE AT THE TOP, JUST FOMENTING THE UNREST, AND USING THE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO PHOTO OPS AFTER TEAR GASSING PEOPLE OUT OF THE WAY FOR THE PICTURE WE TALK ABOUT GEORGE WILL BEING AN ENABLER TO ALLOW TO CONTINUE TO GAMBLE AROUND THE PRESIDENT’S FEET, LIKE A PACK OF DOGS HUNGRY FOR PET WE HAVE GEORGE WILL SAYING THAT TALKING ABOUT 360 DEGREE AWARENESS OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE PUSHING UPSTREAM AGAINST SO YES IT IS POSSIBLE, AND FROM THE ASHES OF THIS CONFLICT CAN COME GREAT CHANGE, BUT IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE DON’T GET BEHIND OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN DOING THE WORK THUS FAR, AND LEARN HOW TO TAKE THE ENERGY AND ORGANIZE, LEARN HOW TO TAKE THIS ENERGY AND PUT IT IN TO VOTING TO PUT IT INTO FILLING OUT YOUR SENSES TO PUT IT INTO MAKING SURE THAT YOU ARE SEEN AND HEARD IN WAYS THAT CAN MAKE YOURSELVES SEEN AND HEARD BUT WE DON’T ALWAYS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WE HAVE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL OF THE LEVERS OF POWER RIGHT NOW, AND NOT LET HIS MOMENTUM DIE, BECAUSE, ANOTHER THING THAT WE KNOW AS HUMAN BEINGS, WE SAW THIS IN 92 AND 68, IT IS A DIFFICULT THING AND IT CAN LOSE STEAM WE CAN ONLY CONTINUE TO HOLD THIS FOR SO LONG WE GET WEARY, WE GET TIRED, WE GET BROKEN DOWN OUR IMMUNE SYSTEM CAN’T TAKE IT, NOT TO MENTION WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC WE DON’T HAVE ENDLESS STORIES OF ENERGY TO DO THIS, WE HAVE TO DO THIS NOW, WHILE IT IS STILL FRESH, WHILE WE ARE STILL PASSIONATE, WHILE WE ARE STILL OUT THERE IN THE STREETS WE HAVE TO DO IT NOW >> COMING UP, WE ARE ON THE GROUND IN MINNEAPOLIS, WITH A LOOK AT WHAT PROTESTERS ON THE GROUND ARE CALLING FOR STAY WITH US >> I’M OUT HERE BECAUSE THIS IS OUR LIFE WE’VE GOT TO FIGHT FOR IT NOBODY ELSE WILL, WE HAVE TO WE WILL NOT FALL FOR ANYTHING WE’VE GOT TO STAND, WE’VE GOT TO STAND UNITED >> TEARGAS, THEY WERE DOING EVERY THING >> ARE YOU OKAY? >> NO, I’M NOT YOU CAN’T WALK IN FEAR BECAUSE IF YOU WALK IN FEAR YOU’RE NOT GOING TO BE HERE >> TODAY, THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION OFFICIALLY CALLING IT A PANDEMIC >> NONE OF US IS AFFECTED — UNAFFECTED >> WE WILL TRY EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO KEEP LIFE AS NORMAL AS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY >> INTO AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS IS GOING TO SPREAD LIKE RAPIDFIRE >> WE WILL BUILD HIS ECONOMY BACK STOCK THAN EVER BEFORE DESPITE A NUMBER OF THINGS ARE NOT BEING DONE RIGHT NOW >> COMING IN NOVEMBER, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE VOTING FOR A PERSON FOR HIS SYSTEM >> HOW IS THIS GOING TO WORK? >> YOU DON’T PREPARE TO GIVE BIRTH IN A PANDEMIC >> IT KEEPS OUR SPIRITS UP >> JOIN ME AS WE GOING TO AMERICA AND HEAR FROM EVERYDAY PEOPLE GRAPPLING WITH THE MOST PRESSING ISSUES OF OUR TIME >>> AMONG THE CHAOS, A FATHER TRYING TO TEACH HIS SON ABOUT PEACE >> WE DON’T RETALIATE WITH ANGER, WE RETALIATE WITH LOVE, THERE’S ALWAYS ANOTHER WAY THAT’S ALL I WANT TO SAY >> THESE WILL BE THE IMAGES TO ARCHIVE THESE MOMENTS IN OUR HISTORY BUT THE CHOIRS CLIENT PEACEMAKERS PICKING UP THE PIECES I’M LESTER HOLT, PLEASE TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AND EACH OTHER >> ARE YOU EXCITED? >> YES I AM >> EL >> BREAKING NEWS TONIGHT

>> WE NEED TO STOP BEING DISTRACTED, STOP WITH THE HAMSTER WHEEL OF A POLICE KILLING A BLACK GUY, WE PROTEST WE GET DISTRACTED WE GO BACK TO NORMAL AND SIX MONTHS LATER IT HAPPENS AGAIN IT IS NOW TIME TO ACT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A LIVING WAGE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY’RE HELD ACCOUNTABLE NEED TO STOP WITH THE BAND-AID SOLUTIONS, WE NEED TO FIX THE SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY >> WE WANT TO TAKE YOU TO MINNEAPOLIS THE LK REPORTER JENELLE ROSS IS THERE JANEL, IT HAS BEEN A HECK OF A WEEK OF PROTEST IN MINNEAPOLIS, TURNED DANGEROUS AND VIOLENT OVER MANY NIGHTS WHAT IS THE FEELING ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW TODAY IS THERE A SENSE OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO? >> I THINK THAT THE CLIMATE HERE IS QUITE DIFFERENT, AND THEN PERHAPS IT MIGHT SEEM ON TV TO BE FRANK IT IS VERY CALM, AND I WOULD SAY ALMOST WARM, AND I GUESS INVITING TO THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO JOIN THE CAUSE OF CALLING FOR INCREASED POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY THAT BEING SAID, OF COURSE MINNEAPOLIS HAS BEEN THROUGH A LOT IN THIS ONE WEEK, AND WHATEVER AMERICA FEELS IT MINNEAPOLIS IS PROBABLY FEELING TWO OR THREE FOLD HOWEVER, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KEEP HEARING FROM PEOPLE ON THE GROUND HERE, IS A REAL DESIRE FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE THIS SITUATION SERIOUSLY I HEARD YOUR EARLIER GUEST TALKING ABOUT THE HAPPY HAMSTER WHEEL, THE CURRENT CYCLE OF SOMEONE DYING, THERE BEING PUBLIC OUTRAGE OUTCRIES AND THEN THE CYCLE STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN. WHAT I’M HEARING FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE GROUND, IS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT HOW SERIOUSLY THEIR SENSE IS THAT THERE MAY BE SOME OUTSIDE AND EXTREMIST FORCES THAT HAVE INFILTRATED PROTEST, THERE’S A SENSE THEY ARE NOT BEING TAKEN SERIOUSLY AND THEN SECONDLY, THAT THERE IS A LOT OF ATTENTION BEING PAID TO THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF DESIGNER STORES AND BUSINESSES, AND PERHAPS NOT ENOUGH ATTENTION BEING PAID HERE AND ELSEWHERE TO THE ACTUAL POLICIES THAT GOVERN POLICE CONDUCT >> JENELLE, LET ME ASK YOU THIS WE ARE SEEING IMAGES FROM MINNEAPOLIS, WE ARE SEEING A DIVIDING LINE HERE WE HAVE A BLACK COMMUNITY WHO SAYS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN BELEAGUERED AND BEAT UPON BY POLICE ON THE OTHER HAND WE SEE MORE COME BY YA MOMENTS, THE DAY AFTER THE FIRES, BLACK AND WHITE COMING TOGETHER TO CLEAN UP THE STREETS IN THE PUSH FOR THAT COME BY ARE YOU MAKING MOMENT, ARE WE LOSING ANY OF THE STEAM AND ENERGY? DO ACTIVISTS AND PEOPLE ON THE GROUND FEEL THAT THE RAGE AND ANGER THAT THEY FEEL FROM THE DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD IS BEING LOST, AND THE DESIRE TO ALREADY MOVE FORWARD? >> ABSOLUTELY, YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE SAY TO ME THAT AS MUCH AS EVERY HUMAN BEING, THEY STRIVE FOR PEACE AND ENJOY THE CALM OF GOING ABOUT THEIR DAILY LIVES THE PROBLEM IS, THAT NORMAL IS NOT THE CONDITION IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE BEING KILLED ALL THE TIME, AND THERE ARE BASIC QUESTIONS ABOUT JUSTICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY THAT ARE NOT BEING ANSWERED I CERTAINLY HAVE HAD SEVERAL ACTIVISTS SAY TO ME THAT THE FOCUS ON, LET’S GET TOGETHER AND HOLD HANDS AND HAVE UNITY SEEMS TO BE MISPLACED I THINK THEY WOULD PREFER TO SEE PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, ABOUT WHAT LOCAL YOUTH SUPPORT POLICIES ARE, WHETHER OR NOT CHUCKLES ARE ALLOWED BY THEIR POLICE FORCES WHAT ARE THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR DISMISSING A PROBLEM OFFICER WHAT ARE THE UNION CONTRACTS IN THEIR CITIES? I THINK THE LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON, BUT AT A VERY BARE MINIMUM, I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF CONCERN, BUT IN THE FOCUS ON, LET’S COME TOGETHER AND HOLD HANDS, WHICH IS A

REFLEXIVE PERHAPS DEEP HUMAN NEED THAT MORE THINGS MIGHT BE OFF >> JENELLE, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK >> WE ARE BACK WITH OUR PANEL NOW I WANT TO ASK YOU, MANDELA, AS A WISE MAN ONCE TOLD ME, THERE IS NO WAY TO SEPARATE THE ROOTS OF A TREE FROM ITS LEAVES THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON RACIST IDEALS, AND WHILE GREAT PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE, THE ROOTS REMAIN THE SAME MANDELA, OUR WHITE SUPREMACIST IDEALS AND INGRAINED ANTI- BLACKNESS, BAKED INTO EVERY AMERICAN INSTITUTION, INCLUDING POLICING BREAKABLE? CAN WE ACTUALLY SNAP OUT OF THE SYSTEMIC NATURE OF RACISM? OR IS THIS JUST WHO AND WHAT WE ARE? >> WE HAVE TO SNAP OUT OF IT IF WE DON’T, WE WILL BE COMPLETELY DESTROYED THIS NATION WILL IMPLODE IF WE DON’T SNAP OUT OF THE WHITE SUPREMACIST IDEOLOGIES THAT GOT US TO THIS POINT WHERE WE ARE, I WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE, THINGS CAN GET WORSE IT IS MY HOPE THAT THEY DO NOT, IT IS MY HOPE THAT PEOPLE STEP UP AND RECOGNIZE THE MOMENT AND SEE THE NEED FOR CHANGE, WE USE THE ROOTS ENTRY ANALOGY, I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT, FOR THOSE WHO STILL SUBSCRIBE TO THE BAD APPLE THEORY WHERE THERE ARE JUST A HANDFUL, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE GROWING CONDITIONS WHICH LED TO THOSE BAD APPLES, AND THAT IS THE WAY TO PREMISES IDEOLOGY YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT SO, IF WE DON’T SNAP OUT OF IT IT WILL ONLY BE TO OUR OWN PERIL >> NICOLE, THE NATURE OF WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE IS NOT JUST POLICING, IT IS HEALTHCARE, IT IS EDUCATION, IT IS ENVIRONMENTAL WE ARE SEGREGATED BY OUR BODIES, BUT THE AIR THAT WE BREATHE IS ALSO SEGREGATED DO YOU BELIEVE, IN YOUR HEART OF HEARTS, GIVEN ALL YOUR EXPERIENCE AND EVERYTHING YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS, DO YOU THINK WE CAN BREAK OUT OF IT? IS THERE ANY WAY TO MOVE PAST IT, MOVE THROUGH IT? CHANGE SOCIETY IN ANY REAL AND MEANINGFUL WAY? >> I WOULD SAY THAT CAN AND WILL ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS YES, WE ABSOLUTELY CAN WE KNOW HOW WE KNOW ALL OF THE RESOURCES THAT WENT INTO CREATING THE INEQUALITIES THAT WE EXPERIENCE, BUT, DO WE HAVE THE WILL? JAMES BALDWIN SAID THAT WHITE PEOPLE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO GIVE UP THEIR WHITENESS, AND I DON’T THINK THAT WE HAVE SEEN ENOUGH WHITE AMERICANS IN POWER WILLING TO DO THAT YOU KNOW, WE THINK ABOUT POLICE VIOLENCE POLICE ARE THE AGENTS OF THE STATE WHO WORK MOST MOST INTIMATELY IN BLACK COMMUNITIES, BUT THEY ARE THE FACE OF A MUCH LARGER SYSTEM OF OPPRESSION WHICH YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, BLACK PEOPLE ARE SEGREGATED IN TERMS OF HOUSING AND SCHOOLS, WE HAVE THE WORST HEALTH EFFECTS OF THE HIGHEST POVERTY RATES, WE HAVE THE HIGHEST UNEMPLOYMENT RATES ANYTHING THAT YOU NAME, WE SUFFER FROM IT THE WORST, AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE — IN THIS COUNTRY DO WE HAVE THE WILL TO DO WHAT IS NECESSARY? I DON’T THINK SO BUT, WE CERTAINLY CAN IF WE CHOOSE WE COULD SEND SOMEBODY TO THE MOON AGAIN IF WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING BETTER, RETURNED >> DON, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? I ALSO WANT TO ADD, HOW MUCH OF THAT INTIMACY IS BETWEEN POLICE AND PEOPLE, AND ALL THE WAYS IN WHICH WE ARE SEGREGATED, BUT HOW MUCH OF WHAT WE EXPERIENCE DAY TODAY, DO YOU THINK IS THE RESULT OF UNCONSCIOUS BIAS, PEOPLE MEANDERING THROUGH LIFE NOT REALIZING THAT THEY HARBOR ANTIBLACK SENTIMENT, AND HOW MUCH OF IT IS ACTUAL CONSCIOUS RACISM CONSCIOUS ANTIBLACK SENTIMENT? >> I THINK IT IS NOT POSSIBLE NECESSARILY TO QUANTIFY IN PERCENTAGES I WILL SAY THAT, BOTH ARE ABSOLUTELY AT PLAY EVERY DAY PEOPLE DON’T REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE THESE BIASES, AND LIKE I SAID, MY FRIENDS ARE REALLY REALIZING IT NOW COMING OUT NOW AND THEY REALLY ARE UNDERSTANDING, THE IMPACT OF INACTION, SEEING THAT INACTION, BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE DOING GOOD THINGS DURING THE DAY, THEY ARE NICE TO PEOPLE THAT THAT IS ENOUGH TO TEAR DOWN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN SYSTEMATIC, AND HAS BEEN, NOT ONLY INSTITUTIONALIZED BUT IS CODIFIED, IN THE ARTICLES OF THE CREATION OF THIS COUNTRY WE WERE NEVER INTENDED TO PRODUCE DEBATE IN THIS WITH ANY SORT OF EQUALITY SO IT’S GOING TO BE A FIGHT, IS GOING TO BE A STRUGGLE AT AGAIN, THIS MOMENT THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW, THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY HONEST ABOUT, AND HAS BEEN THIS CONFLUENCE OF ALL OF THESE THINGS COMING TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME, WITH A TERRIBLE PRESIDENT AND ENABLERS AROUND HIM, WHO DON’T HAVE THE COURAGE TO STAND UP TO HIM AT A TIME WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT LOOTING, AND ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT TRILLION DOLLAR TAX CUTS AS WE HAVE SEEN, JUST ONE

PERCENT OF THIS COUNTRY LET’S HAVE THE HOLISTIC CONVERSATION WE NEED TO BE HONEST ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AND HOW WE GOT HERE IF WE CANNOT DO THAT, IF WHITE PEOPLE AREN’T WILLING TO HAVE THESE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS, AND HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE TO THAT, THE ABILITY TO HOLD THE LEVERS OF POWER, I DON’T KNOW HOW THIS WILL CHANGE BUT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE MOMENT TO IMPRESS UPON US THAT IT HAS TO LIKE MANDELA SAID, WE ARE LOOKING AT VERY BAD OUTCOMES THE RIOTS HAPPENED IN 92, AFTER THE TRIAL, WE STILL HAVE THREE OFFICERS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN CHARGED, AND ONE WHO MAY BE FOUND NOT GUILTY MAY BE ACQUITTED WE MAY NOT BE OF THE GREATEST POINT OF THIS YET AND THAT IS TERRIFYING >> MANDELA, YOU HOLD SOME LEVERS OF POWER, YOU ARE THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF WISCONSIN, WHICH INCLUDES MILWAUKEE, WHICH HAS AMONG THE HIGHEST BLACKMAIL INCARCERATION RATES IN THE COUNTRY I WANT TO ASK YOU, WHAT IS NEXT WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE, AND DO YOU THINK THAT WHITE AMERICA WANTS TO CHANGE, THAT MANY IN BLACK AMERICA ACTUALLY WANT? >> THAT IS THE THING I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP TO A REALITY THAT THEY NEVER HAD TO EXPERIENCE, IF I COULD GO BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT YOU BROUGHT TO DONNA I THINK MOST OF US HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GO THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE LIVES WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO WORRY OR THINK ABOUT IT BUT, ON THE POLICY FRONT, THERE ARE SO MANY PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP AND ON THE POLITICAL FRONT THERE ARE STILL A GUESS AT THE BEGINNING PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT IN MY POSITION, I THINK ABOUT, THE ISSUES I AM EXPECTED TO CARRY, THOSE THAT I WILL CARRY REGARDLESS BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPORTANT WHETHER IT IS A WOMEN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE HER ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, I CARRY THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPORTANT TO ME BUT RARELY IS RACIAL JUSTICE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AND WHAT I FEEL THAT I CAN DO, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ELECTIONS COMING UP, IT’S NOT JUST THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, WE HAVE LEGISLATIVE RACES ALL ACROSS WISCONSIN AS WELL WE HAVE OTHER RACES GOING ON, AND, FROM OPPOSITION? I’M NOT GOING TO ENDORSE ANYBODY THAT IS NOT TAKE ON RACIAL JUSTICE AND THAT’S WHAT I PLAN TO DO PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING FOR STATE REPRESENTATIVE, STATE SENATOR THEY DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT RACIAL JUSTICE AND NOT ENDORSING THEM, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BUILD NOT JUST POWER, THE POLICY AND STRUCTURE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ISSUES GET ADDRESSED, BROUGHT TO THE TABLE AND TALKED ABOUT IN MEANINGFUL WAYS >> THANK YOU, SO MUCH, TO OUR BEST — OUR GUEST, DON CHEADLE, NICOLE HANNAH JONES, LUKE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR MANDELA VINES WE WANT TO KEEP HEARING YOUR VOICES IF YOU ARE BLACK, IN AMERICA, PLEASE SHARE WITH US WHILE YOU ARE OUT RAILING FOR GEORGE LLOYD GO TO /OR PROTEST THANK YOU AGAIN ALL FOR JOINING ME IN THIS VERY HONEST ROCK CONVERSATION SOMEWHERE IN AMERICA TONIGHT, THE SPARK OF GREAT CHANGES FLICKERING IT IS UP TO EACH OF US TO DECIDE WHETHER WE LET IT BURN OUT, OR WE NURTURE THAT BURNING CHANGE. WHEREVER YOU ARE RIGHT NOW, WE HEAR YOU THANK YOU, AND GOOD NIGHT >> RIGHT NOW AMERICA IS BURNING BUT IS A BLACK JOURNALIST THAT COVERED ALL THIS BEFORE THE RESENTMENT AND VIOLENCE IS SMOLDERING IN THIS COUNTRY LONG BEFORE WE EVER LEARN LEARNED GEORGE FLOYD’S NAME SUBSCRIBE FOR FREE WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS >> THESE WILL BE

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